Where have all the dyke bars gone?
HOMO PANIC / Why are 'women's clubs' open to gay men and straight people?
Karen X Tulchinsky / Vancouver / Thursday, December 03, 2009
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If you have recently come out as a lesbian, gay woman, queer chick or homo of the female gender you may have noticed that no matter which large urban centre you’re in — whether it’s Toronto, New York, London or right here in Vancouver — there’s really no such thing as a dyke bar, a space in which you can bump and grind in a room full of women only.

Others might remember a time when the now-extinct dyke bar existed.

You might have been a self-defined butch. On Friday night after work you’d shower, gel your hair, toss on cologne and spend the next two hours nursing a beer while trying on every black shirt in your closet, deciding which one makes you look hottest.

Then you’d do the same routine with every pair of black jeans in your drawer, until you settled on just the right pair. You’d grab a leather jacket or windbreaker, dash out the door to go wait in line at your local dyke bar.

Sure, it was often in a basement with no windows, or in the roughest neighbourhood in town, but once you got ID’ed, paid the cover charge and walked into the bar, you entered a sea of women.

The night was yours to cruise, dance, flirt, pick someone up, or hang with your buddies at the pool table. It wasn’t much to ask. Just one night at week. A room full of lesbians. No het couples. No men.

You might have been a femme, a lipstick lesbian, a professional gay woman. After a hard week of work, you’d take a long bubble bath, shave your legs, powder and lotion your skin. Makeup is a breeze. Takes less time than it takes a butch to gel her hair.

As you sip on a glass of white wine, you slide into a pair of black stockings, slip on your little black dress and head out the door.

When you’d walk inside, no one figured you for a straight girl. The butches turned their heads the second you made your entrance. You couldn’t fend them off fast enough. You’d have suitors on all sides. You’d simply have to take your pick and be out on the dance floor, or cut the evening early and take one home.

You might have been the androgynous type. You’d show up in jeans and a T-shirt as often as in a flowing skirt and scarf. No one cared if you danced by yourself, soaking up the estrogen-filled air, smiling at the beautiful women around you.

You might have been a bisexual woman, thrilled to be in a space filled only with women so you could test out your same-sex lust, see it fit you.

These days, most cities have places labelled as women’s clubs, usually produced by queer women — and God bless them — it’s hard work, there’s big financial risk and they’re doing the best they can. But why are these so-called women’s clubs open to gay men and straight people?

As if there aren’t enough places in town for gay men to hang out. As if straight people don’t have anywhere to meet each other.

What if even once a month, we had dyke bars again? 

What a wonderful world that would be.


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antediluvian
Your lament for same sex social and community spaces for women is echoed by many older gay men for men only spaces. Those days have gone. Today, any form of exclusion (by sex or anything else) is oppressive bigotry. All people of all sexes, genders, orientations and genital configurations must be allowed into an inclusivity festival of pan/poly queer trans post-gay hetero-kink as sex rebel cross dressing straight male fetishists -- all these are the New Queer World. There is no room this world for exclusionary cis-women only lesbians or worse same sex cis male homosexual exclusionary vagina-rejected gay men. Homosexuals are the enemy of Queer. Wake up to the new world. If you are gay or lesbian, LBGTQ is your enemy. Welcome to the Queer Universe, one step over from Gulag, two steps down from Heterosexual Penis Vagina Triumph.
david, toronto ON
12/05/09 11:35 AM EST
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Blame the Carter of Rights and Freedoms
I, too, miss the good ol' days of Queenie's and the Quadra. Now discrimination of any kind is outlawed in Canada. Except the 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' kind (how DO they get away with that?) Do women-only dances actually manage to keep men out? According to the Richmond RCMP, business owners and employee have the right to refuse service to patrons under certain conditions, and the invitation can be withdrawn at any time under the following circumstance; if a customer disrupts the business, threatens others, steals from the retailer, is inappropriately clothed or if he/she has an overpowering odor (perfume, cologne, body). So could men & hetero couples be banned from lesbian bars under the 'customer disrupts the business' stance? Or that men threaten the mental well-being of lesbians? Or that they are inappropriately clothed? (What if the man is wearing a dress?) One method of discrimination is to sell memberships and limit those memberships to certain criteria, i.e. for membership to a lesbian club, the customer must be a woman. Not sure if that would hold up to a legal challenge.
Marushka, Vancouver BC
12/07/09 6:15 PM EST
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A response
Queer women and trans inclusive spaces are almost non-existent. I've been pushed in gay male bars by patrons and forced to go through the front door of bars because I didn't look gay enough...which translates to femme lesbian. Antediluvian, when there is more than one bar for Queer women and trans people out of the 13 in Vancouver for gay men, then your comment has validity. At this time, it unfortunately does not. Full support for Karen's words!
Ina, Vancouver BC
12/07/09 11:26 PM EST
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And if the shoe was on the other foot?
I do sympathize with Karen, but I suspect the severe lack of women only social spaces is more indicative of the demise of the LGBTQRSTUV... bar and club scene as a whole. People just aren't going out to the bars as much as they used to and if there is less of one than the other in terms of men's and women's spaces than it's just the law of averages that what was already less will become least and eventually disappear. People are adopting a much more private lifestyle these days and the internet and a bottle of wine at home have become the new favored pick-up spot over a beer and a couple of frames of pool. In point of fact with Miss T's and the Duff gone and the rise of the dreaded 'sports bar' I don't go out on the scene that much these days either. From what I understand from friends of mine who have lived their whole lives here in Vancouver the social scene has been in decline for quite sometime and the inclusion of other sexualities and sexes has become a financial necessity to many business owners and promoters (leaving aside the fact that the bar scene here is pitifully homogeneous no matter what your sexual politics are). You will find many older gay men singing exactly the same song as Karen in any bar along Davie Street on an average day.
Bill, Vancouver BC
12/08/09 5:29 PM EST
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Romantic, but lacking representation
The picture painted in this article is idyllic, but not representative of many people's experiences. [paragraph] I would love to see more dyke-centred spaces, but I have seen only problems in trying to label who can and cannot enter based on their identity or sexual scorecard. My dyke community includes genderqueers, MtFs, FtMs, as well as the dykes who date them, bisexuals (who I see mentioned in this article, but who often do not feel welcome in "queer women's" spaces, let alone *lesbian* ones), pansexuals, people questioning their sexual orientation and every other shade of gender and sexuality you can name. When the label "lesbians only" is applied to an event, *most* of my dyke community wonders whether they'll be walking into a room full of stares and sneers, or whether they'll even be let in. [paragraph] The traditional underground dyke bar with tiny windows sounds romantic but it owed its business in large part to the stigamatization and criminalization of homosexuality. In their age, if I wanted to flirt and a date without fear of unemployment or waking up in the hospital, I'd have better well gone to a private bar. And I had better have conformed to the cultire of that bar: be it butch-femme-only, or andro-only. But now I can and have pressed lips in movie theatres, public parks, and restaurants, and while we might draw stares, we'll probably both still have a job, all our teeth, and a healthy liver the next day. [paragraph] The only approach that I have seen work is to label a space "feminist," "anti-oppressive," and/or "queer-friendly." This takes the strain off of most my community, both by avoiding policing gender and sexuality, and by encouraging an atmosphere that works to end the ablism, racism, biphobia, transphobia and all the other predjudices rife in queer communities. So what if a few queens and bears show up? So what if a het or bi-curious woman bring
Amy Fox, Nelson BC
12/11/09 2:59 AM EST
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...continued
...brings her FtM boyfriend? I guess they know a good queer time when they see one!
Amy Fox, Nelson BC
12/11/09 3:02 AM EST
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lets clear the air a little here
i remember the old Lotus. How so many of us would sneer at any dude and/or het looking couple that came in the door. First fucks and make out sessions in the bathrooms, dates gone wrong, concussions, so much sexual tension, fundraisers, readings, drag, and soaking in the numbness of buck-a-beers because i couldn't stand to feel anything at all. As messed up as it was sometimes, as a butch queer woman it was a place of *some* kind of refuge for me (and one with an elevator for that matter), and i don't know how i would've handled not having even that one little space. But let's be honest here. It was also the place where a trans woman was beaten by her girlfriend in the middle of the dance floor, and a place where i witnessed trans women being routinely harassed in the bathrooms, a place where newly transitioning trans guys were treated like shit, like freaks; where femmes were routinely harassed by misogynist butches. This trip down memory lane may resonate with some, and that's cool, but it doesn't with me. Your "soaking up the estrogen-filled air" speaks volumes here Karen. When queer women's spaces, including dyke bars, are not defined by some romanticized hormonal air freshener (which distinctly excludes so many women), but by ALL the women who enter them, maybe that'll be something to celebrate. In fact, it definitely will.
romham gallacher, vancouver bc
12/11/09 8:53 PM EST
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