UPDATE: City shuts down Iron Rod Pride party
PRIDE / Whoever complained 'did a disservice to everyone': Peters
Shauna Lewis / Vancouver / Saturday, July 31, 2010
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"I feel like the big guys have stepped on the little guys," says Iron Rod co-organizer, Quinn Peters.


UPDATE: August 5, 4:25pm

Vancouver's licence coordinator says the Open Studios space booked for the Iron Rod Pride party was only ever approved for post-production "wrap-up" parties limited to 40 people.

"This space is not permitted for an assembly use," Lucia Cumerlato told Xtra.

Cumerlato must be going by "the letter of the licence," says Iron Rod co-organizer Quinn Peters. The previous inspector that Open Studios used to deal with may have had a more lenient interpretation of the licence, he suggests.

Ben Reeder, who leases Open Studios, says the previous chief license inspector gave him permission to host parties for up to 150 people.

"Unfortunately, there has been a change of guard at city hall and apparently the last fire inspector was too lenient in his assessment of the safety of our exits," Reeder posted in a comment to this story on August 5.

Peters says he met with Reeder two days before Iron Rod was scheduled to take place and everything seemed fine — until the city received a complaint and requested a meeting. He and Reeder met with Cumerlato, a fire inspector and a police officer the following day.

A fire inspector shut the venue down for lack of adequate fire exits on Friday.

"Basically, the city is doing their job," Peters says. "It's unfortunate but I understand. If the city gets a letter, they're going to have to investigate."

It's the alleged complainant he's disappointed in, he says.

"I think there's more constructive ways to deal with this," he says, adding the organizers could have worked together to push for more venues and more flexible hours.

The real problem, Peters says, is the lack of venues and liquor licence options in Vancouver.

"We looked for months to find a venue that was suitable for us," he says of the queer Spit parties he usually organizes.

Peters wants to see more venues, more options to host events that are not on Granville St. Eastside options that can be rented for one-time parties and can legally stay open later than 2 am.

"Vancouver markets itself as an international city but then they say, 'You have to stop partying at 2am" and you're only allowed to party in "mandated areas," he says.

As for the complaint that triggered the fire inspection, Cumerlato says that came through "the Liquor Licensing Branch, who received a complaint regarding the event not having proper approvals."

A spokesperson for the Liquor Control and Licensing Branch says it does not release the names of people who make inquiries.

Iron Rod organizers have filed a Freedom of Information request to find out who filed the complaint.


UPDATE: August 3, 1:30pm

Vancouver deputy fire chief, Les Sziklai, confirms one of his staff inspected the Open Studios space last week and shut it down.

"One critical flaw is it has only one available exit," he says.

"There is no slack in this," Sziklai adds, explaining city regulations state a venue must have more than one proper exit if an event is expected to exceed 59 people.

Iron Rod organizers were expecting more than 160 people to attend their Pride party until a snap fire inspection — allegedly triggered by a complaint from a rival party promoter — shut the space down just hours before the party was scheduled to begin.

Until now the city has been somewhat lax with people seeking special event licensing permits, Sziklai reveals.

"They don't do individual inspections for special occasion licensing. There's just not enough time, there hasn't been enough manpower or staff," he says, adding "sometimes things slide through."

In the future, Sziklai says the city plans to scrutinize spaces seeking special event permits more closely.

"As a city we do want the functions but we want to make sure they're safe," he says.

As for the identity of the complainant, Sziklai says he hasn't heard anything about a complaint to the city regarding the Iron Rod venue. But he says public complaints are the primary reasons behind impromptu building inspections.

Jul 31, 1am:

Just hours before it was set to host a Pride party, city officials shut down an Eastside venue for allegedly not being up to par on fire code. But organizers say infighting among gay party producers is really to blame.

"I feel like the big guys have stepped on the little guys," says Iron Rod co-organizer Quinn Peters.
 
"They [the city] ruled that the building was inappropriate for occupancy," Peters says, explaining that city inspectors objected to the size of the venue's fire exits.
 
But the snap inspection was triggered by a complaint from a competing Pride party organizer, Iron Rod organizers believe.
 
Peters says he met with city licensing officials, fire inspectors, a Vancouver Police Department representative and the owner of the space just days prior to the event and was given the go-ahead with a temporary city permit.
 
The permit allowed Iron Rod to operate in Open Studios on Main St until 4am, with liquor served until 2am, despite the need to update the building's adherence to fire code.
 
Ben Reeder, who leases the Open Studios space, confirms the city shut down his venue on Friday.
 
He too says he met with the city earlier this week and was given the green light to hold a special event liquor licence.
 
"Everything was a go," he says, "but the fire inspector says we didn't meet the requirements."
 
"They put a cease and desist notice on our door" just hours before Iron Rod was set to begin, he says.
 
Attempts to contact the city for comment on Friday night were unsuccessful.
 
Reeder says he has been operating under a temporary verbal agreement with the city for the past six years. During that time, he says he has hosted nearly 200 arts, film and music events.
 
Reeder says he thought the city's verbal approval would be sufficient, as it had been until now.
 
Reeder says he updated the fire extinguishers and refurbished the venue's panic bars on the doors, but is looking at $10-25,000 to enlarge the building's fire exits and install sprinkler systems.
 
Reeder says the fire inspector told him the inspection was triggered by a written complaint from another Pride event promoter allegedly concerned about Iron Rod's permission to operate late.
 
The identity of the alleged complainant was not disclosed.
 
"It's infighting," Peters maintains. "It's cat fighting."
 
"Pride seems that it's not about culture," he continues. "It's about money."
 
It's a "gay turf" war, he says.
 
"It seems that our city doesn't welcome anything different than the norm," adds Iron Rod co-organizer Brandon Gaukel.
 
Iron Rod was intended to offer an alternative to the usual West End events planned for Pride, Gaukel explains.
 
"My heart is sad," he says. "We spent the last four hours looking for another venue and found no such thing in the time we had."
 
Peters and Gaukel say the 160 pre-sold tickets to Iron Rod will be refunded at Little Sister's and Priape. They ask that consumers return their tickets to their point of purchase.
 


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EAT SHIT WEST END FAGS!
BOYCOTT WEST END CLUBS—THEY SUCK. Fuck off all you lame west end circuit fags!
Stomp on abercrombie fags, Bum fuck Dullsville
07/31/10 6:28 AM EST
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Oh goodie...
Great.. this is just what I needed. Pride tainted with hatred. Now there are going to be a whack of mean spirited attacks, accusations and god knows what that reinforces all the ugliness lurking behind the smiles in this town. Just great.
Corey, Giles bc
07/31/10 12:53 PM EST
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Oh My
Corey, from what I've noticed of Vancouver, there is often "ugliness lurking behind the smiles in this town". Though there isn't a lot of information to help point fingers, the timing, the type of violation cited, and the idea of an alternative party do make it highly suspicious.
Richard, Vancouver BC
07/31/10 1:07 PM EST
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Not enough Pride to go around?
Apparently, someone too cowardly to sign their name believes Pride is a finite quantity, and its only value is in the money it can generate for their sticky pockets. I think the other promoters in this city would be wise to take this bull by the horns and root out who is responsible for the anonymous complaint, whether it came from within their ranks or not. Because at this point, the only ones I trust -- and therefore the only ones who will see any of my queer dollars -- are Peters and Gaukel. And really, lets not buy into the idea of a gay turf war. There are enough mouth-breathing morons out there who would like to see our demise, we don't need to assist their agenda with play-ground mentality in-fighting. Besides, I live on Main Street, and if this becomes an East Versus West battle, I'll be stuck in the de-militarized zone. And nothing I own goes with razor wire.
Greg Armstrong-Morris, Vancouver BC
07/31/10 1:21 PM EST
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Fight Back
Please write to your city councillor and MLA about this!
brandon Gaukel, vancouver bc
07/31/10 4:29 PM EST
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Fighting Back
If we could confirm exactly who the guilty party is, that would be lovely, so I can be sure I never give them a single dollar of my money ever again. I have written to Spencer about this, and I have decided to return my tickets to a west end party on Sunday night and go support my east van babies at SpitBash (at the cobalt) instead. Chin up boys! I've mobilized my posse, we will show up on Sunday, dance our faces off, and drink you out of house and home. I suggest others do the same. This sort of immature sketchiness must not be tolerated. And we can not allow this douche wad, whomever he is, to crush the east van scene that these boys have worked so hard to nurture.
Mathew, Vancouver BC
07/31/10 5:18 PM EST
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sad
This is a real shame
jack, surrey BC
07/31/10 5:33 PM EST
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really??????
ok, let's be serious, the purpose of this party was to earn money. All the the other official pride promoters adhere to city bylaws to host 1st rate events. yes, they want to make money, but is that really a bad thing? of course not, when you consider the expense they incur to attract top level acts and keep their establishments up to city code. I feel this iron rod party was trying to make a quick buck and in doing so, would steal business from venues who provide all gay people a place to party and celebrate not only during pride but throughout the year. also, where is the proof that iron rod had a "verbal agreement" with the city? that statement sounds very suspect as i doubt the city would do such a thing from a legal standpoint, i.e. who would be responsible for a potential lawsuit if things went wrong. Basically, the issue here is not about big promoters are stepping on the "little guys", it is about accepting the fact that if you want to host a pride celebration, and yes make money, then you best ensure that you oblige to all required city by laws as to be fair with all others who do so. Iron rod is not the underdog here; they are merely the whining baby who is upset because they did not get what they wanted.
Nels, vancouver bc
08/01/10 6:56 AM EST
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Response to Nels
Nels. Of course we would have liked to have made money off of this event. But the sole motivation was not to "make a quick buck", but to provide people with a new, interesting, alternative and made-in-East-Van option for Pride parties. Do you have a job too? I think it would be rather unfortunate if someone showed up at your place of employment and told you that all of the work you have been putting into your current project over the last four months is no longer valid because of a detail that you were not aware of. Then, your boss tells you that your pay for that time is now cancelled. For the most part, everyone has to work, and this is one of the ways I have chosen to make a living. I have to eat, pay rent, pay bills like the everyone else. What I take issue with is that someone deliberately sabotaged us. Yes, we all must abide by the laws in this city, but when someone sabotages the situation it speaks greatly of their business conduct and their morals. There is also a proper way to do business, which does not include getting others shut down when one fears their own business is not doing well. We live in a free market economy (supposedly) so we should be free to operate and allow the market to decide which products are valuable. All of our pre-sale tickets sold... In terms of why I want people to write to their MLA and councillor, I would like to see some changes to the way that the province and the city handle events and alcohol licensing. The city parties, including the VPD and licensing departments know that the Provincial legislation is not working for the unique situation of the City of Vancouver and are working hard with them. But we need people to tell them that they want to see alternative events in the city, that it is possible to have responsible and orderly late-night events that do not resemble the ruckus of the Granville Street Strip etc. Finally, I'm not going to point any fingers and anyone. But I await the interviews with the c
Quinn Peters, East Vancouver! BC
08/01/10 12:06 PM EST
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@Nels
FYI: Spit and Queerbash throw separate monthly parties to bring a bit of gay fun to the east side; pride was not a one off event. The fact that they wanted to come together to bring an alternative to the typical pride events should be commended not chastised. At each of their nights they bring out 300+ people that may not have felt comfortable in the west end scene. Come out to Spit on September 3rd or October 1st to see it for yourself, unless this malice has bankrupted the "whiny baby."
Kristen, East Vancouver BC
08/01/10 12:21 PM EST
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Sad Sad Sad
This venue has operated for 7+ years without problems, as far as i can see. Kudos to the organization for dealing with the city so professionally. Shame on those who selfishly decided to ruin the fun for not only the Iron-Rod bash, but all other cultural events in the near future. Selfish, Greedy, and Typical. This is why people call this town No-Fun-Couver.
SadGuy, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 1:13 PM EST
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Verbal Agreement
Ah yes. The studio owner had a "verbal agreement" with the city. It's like a real agreement, but... not so much. I go to Spit, and had tickets to IronRod, but let's face facts: if the organizers can't get their shit together enough to hold the event in a legal venue, they wouldn't have left themselves open to "sabotage" (er, bylaws) by a competitor. Yes, it was a shitty thing to do. But when you do your homework, this sort of thing doesn't happen.
Steven, East Vancouver BC
08/01/10 1:46 PM EST
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Dear Steven
Dear Steven: A little wake-up call. Cities are enormous amalgamations of verbal agreements, especially with authorities. This occurs when proposals are completely reasonable, safe, and culturally valuable, but the letter of the law creates a scenario in which a fire-marshall would "officially" have to decline something, but at the same time sees the value and safety of the event as viable and then "verbally" green-lights things. This is called "underground" culture, and it allows people to have a night life outside of the alcohol-riddled clown and pony shows that sometimes pass for our "legal" club scene. Anyone with experience traveling in this fair world of ours will tell you that the cities that allowed their underground to thrive had the most culturally vibrant experiences. Your post smacks of Granville-Downtown elitism and you're probably a buddy of Big Roger or himself. Go enjoy your overpriced events and leave our little (200 person) East-side jams alone.
SadGuy, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 2:23 PM EST
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Verbal Agreement
Verbal agreement with the city of Vancouver? That should have sent up a huge red flag! Lesson learned the hard way unfortunately. The name pointing and accusations at this point are pointless and a waste of breath.
James, East Vancouver BC
08/01/10 2:32 PM EST
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Pointless "Mama" James
James, you say that name pointing and accusations at this point are pointless and a waste of breath. Interesting... Don't you think that yours is the pointless, passive, and useless attitude? When we know someone has done something to hurt someone, why is it a waste of breath to share that with others, James? Why is it a waste of time to try to limit the ability of some to hurt others? Please tell me that, James.
Angry, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 3:41 PM EST
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Petty Attacks Show pride's True Colours
I find it really sad when several people feel the need to repeatedly post slanderous and libelous comments about people they obviously do not know. First off, love these east end guys for putting on alternative events for people not interested in the Davie scene, kudos to you guys, I love you. However, verbal agreements do not supercede fire safety requirements, shit happens, but learn and move forward from it. I will support everything you guys do. This placing blame and attacking stinks of promoter politics: blame, shut down and steal mentality. Attacking people directly and repeatedly like Sonoo of Big Roger Events shows an almost fanatical behaviour that shows prejudice, premeditation and history. Unfortunately if you repeat a message enough times people will start to believe it no matter how far fetched, ridiculous and tainted the message and the messenger is. Come on people, Sonoo isn't running any events that compete with Iron Rod, now or ever, they've moved to afterhours and the odd t-dance. There is absolutely no benefit for them. Think with your head, don't hate with conjecture.
Partay Police, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 3:56 PM EST
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Should the promoters be resposnible?
I read the Xtra article and the responses and saw that the focus here is totally wrong. I think that promoters of Iron Rod had a responsibility to make sure they got a venue deemed safe for the number of tickets sold. If the city did a snap inspection in response to an alleged complaint then we must be thankful that we were not subjected to party in a place with no proper fire exists. How many times have we heard of deaths and disasters when there are not enough proper fire exists. There is a reason why we have the city issuing licenses. To make sure we are not in some threatening environment. I applaud the fire marshals for keeping this a safe pride. I applaud any complaints that voice any safety concerns at any event. Iron Rod is new and these guys need to learn that there is more to a party than selling tickets. In the end THEY are responsible for not meeting the safety standards in this city and not another promoter.
Party Safely, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 5:44 PM EST
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the letter of the law.
For those who have criticized us over the fire capacity issue, when one books a venue that is well-known (a fact about Open Studios that may be shocking to many, perhaps, that cannot see beyond the downtown scene) and has been in operation for over seven years, one is required to make certain assumptions, including that the building is up to code. I'm sure the average person will assume that a potential apartment in a professionally-managed building is up to fire code; it would be profoundly awkward to ask such a question to the landlord unless there were obvious structural issues - in which case one would be a fool to rent such a place. However, even this was not the real issue. I have worked in the nightlife on and off for six years, and in that time, I've learned that NOBODY follows the letter of the law. Any nightclub that you visit on a given weekend night is operating over fire capacity. So to those who suggest that our enemies targeted us because they felt that we were competing on an uneven playing field, you are patently incorrect. Quite the opposite, in fact: we were playing on an incredibly level field. The issue here is that someone out there sabotaged us because they saw us as a potential threat, so they set out to kill us while we are small. We honestly don't know who is responsible, and we are not pointing fingers at anyone. However, it's just a matter of time until the truth comes out. And when it does, we will not play their game. We may not be wealthy folk, but we are men of principle, and our values of hard work, truth, humility and respect will carry us through this very difficult time. So, to whoever did this to us, I only have one thing to say: you may have caused us to stumble, but our spirits are held high, and though your goal was to break us, we will never sink to your level, and you will never win against us.
Mike Kushnir, IRON ROD Co-Producer, Vancouver BC
08/01/10 7:01 PM EST
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So where do we go from here?
I think a key point is that Open Studios HAS been operating with full City knowledge for years. They have co-operated & met with the city. They have been inspected multiple times (paying their inspection & licensee fees each time) & have even been granted an official capacity years ago. Events have been running there, INCLUDING city & province-funded arts events, with no problems. So why has it now suddenly been deemed not safe enough when it's apparantly been perfectly safe for 6 years? And upon what standards are the city basing these safety codes? It's very sad to hear that a rival promoter would deliberately try to bring down another event, particularly one intended to celebrate diversity. Esspecially since I honestly don't think Iron Rod would be taking cash out of the hands of downtown club promoters. There is a VERY real need for accessible (re: affordable) events that provide alternatives to mainstream club culture. This requires venues. We need those alternative venues. Badly. Period. Inevitably, people like Ben Reeder will take it upon themselves to build these venues and create that needed space. But the current "process" for licensing these venues to a) ensure their safety and b) ensure their sustainibility through the sale of liquor (which is occasional and a fraction of sales done by nightclubs) is super inconsistent. I really don't think the cancellation reflects a lack of reponsibility on the part of the venue owner or the promoters of Iron Rod. In fact, I think most underground venues don't even WANT to be underground... but they feel like they HAVE to be because it seems so daunting and impossible to get properly licensed through the current process. Can we establish an "artist space" license with alcohol and firecodes that are fair & consistant? I realize the nightclubs have paid dearly to be licensed, but we need these spaces
Crystal Precious, Performer & Event Planner, Vancouver British Columbia
08/01/10 8:48 PM EST
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Perspective...
Guys... it's a party. Why don't you try walking down Main/Hastings or visit some of the sick kids at BC Children's fighting for their lives this weekend while you're downing the next shot of vodka and trying hook up with some out-of-town homo. Why don't you try spending some time with someone with real problems and then come back to me and tell me if any of this really matters, and, who really gives a f*&^. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves... really... I know kids in high school with a firmer grasp of reality.
WTF, Vancouver British Columbia
08/02/10 2:40 AM EST
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How Did Big Roger Know?
All of this very interesting cross-fire leads me to wonder how it was that Sonoo Sinha would have come to know the precise dimensions of the fire exits in question, so as to know that they were under code? Just wondering!
Kevin Dale McKeown, Vancouver BC
08/02/10 4:24 PM EST
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Evil Downtown Gays See All
Big Roger knew because he, along with all the other Evil Downtown Gays, keeps a very close eye on the huge competitive threat that the famous Iron Rod party pose. Get a fucking grip here, people. You amateurs stranded a bunch of ticket holders because you're into throwing parties at cool (read: cheap) spaces in East Van run by people who have "verbal agreements" with the city. When (surprise, surprise) your party got shut down ...FOR FIRE CODE VIOLATIONS no less, you complain that everyone is out to get you. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "this lesbian bar doesn't have enough fire escapes. Enjoy your death trap, ladies!". Putting your ticket-buying party-goers at risk in the name of being Indie? The blame rests squarely on you. Paying attention to pesky things like "laws" and "fire codes" can, in fact, be a good business practice. Welcome to being a grown-up. Happy Pride.
Connie Conspiracy, East Side, yo BC
08/02/10 8:55 PM EST
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Editor's Note
Thanks everyone for contributing to this discussion. There have been a number of unproven allegations posted in this comments section that have caused concern. Xtra will continue to investigate this story and update you as more corroborated information becomes available. In the meantime, keep in mind the posting guidelines you have all committed to follow prohibit defaming others and attacking them personally. Keep the comments coming but stick to the proven facts. Any defamatory posts reported to us will be removed. Thanks.
Robin Perelle, Managing Editor, Xtra Vancouver
08/03/10 3:20 PM EST
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kids kids kids
Anyone can contact City Hall to make a complaint. They are supposed to give their name, contact number plus email so they can be notified of what actions were taken. They are not supposed to allow for anonymous complaints anymore but that can even be worked around by giving a fake name, random number and fake email addy. So good luck finding out who did what. I hope that the people in the city do continue to have all sorts of parties for all sorts of people. I think if a competitor was really going to do something though, they would've had it done against a competing party night of which I understand there really wasn't one for Friday. Gotta love highschool.
TwiddleDeeUrDum, Vancouver BC
08/03/10 4:58 PM EST
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um, Robin? Just a thought...
While I am so VERY pleased to see that allegations (founded or otherwise)of whistle blowing are of concern to you, perhaps you might take a random meandering through the last several months, er years, of Xtra.ca comments. If you do , I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the ANONYMOUS and unsubstantiated accusations of theft, drug and alcohol abuse, racism, ageism, prostitution, miss use of charity funds, all out charachter assasinations and other hate, libel and slander that litters Xtra's comment section???. We are NOT amused.
Joan-E, Vancouver BC
08/03/10 5:45 PM EST
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..and here is example #1
Robin,this comment is on xtra.ca right now, and has been for some time. 'Islam is a death cult and is the enemy of all gay men. All true muslims believe all gays should be executed. Islam is a medieval cult that contributes nothing to humanity except death and misery. Israel and the US military are heroes for beating back the dirty muslim terrorists. Fuck Mohammed up the ass with a pig's dick..ban muslim immigration NOW" ?????
Joan-E, Vancouver BC
08/03/10 6:10 PM EST
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some thoughts..
I would say that the Fire Department, or the press, or promoters etc. should not really emphasize that this was done by another event organizer. At the end of the day people's safety is, and always should be, number one. If someone overlooked something -- all should be responsible. I would say the fire department and city officials are the ones who are responsible for our safety and they make these regulations. I was rather shocked to hear that 'some things slip through'. I am sorry to say but that is negligence by they city. ------------------ "ntil now the city has been somewhat lax with people seeking special event licensing permits, Sziklai reveals. "They don't do individual inspections for special occasion licensing. There's just not enough time, there hasn't been enough manpower or staff," he says, adding "sometimes things slide through." In the future, Sziklai says the city plans to scrutinize spaces seeking special event permits more closely." ------------ Why on earth would they be slack? We have seen people harmed in various places when something goes wrong-- if anything I want higher standards. One can not blame the organizers for such a thing when they are generally thinking that they have met the citie's standards if they were given a license to do so. I am sorry but I think the organizer's statement is a bit out of line calling this 'cat fighting'. If anything I would think he would be upset that the city failed to protect his patrons. If it wasn't safe it wasn't safe and blaming another parties management for the venue closing is almost odd. I don't care who called the city --if I was going to be there I want to know that if the building caught on fire I have a way out! Just saying ;-) but of course it would be upsetting to put so much work into something to have it not happen, but my friend, the priority is the patrons safety no matter who called to say it was not safe-- don't you think?
Kristien Michael, Toronto Ontario
08/03/10 6:53 PM EST
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tsk tsk...
I gotta say, I was saddened when I heard the news about Iron Rod, I have always been one not to stray too far from the D/T core convenience more than anything, plus Im cheap, don't like coughing up for cab fair... but after having attended a function thrown by these guys, I feel more inclined to be more adventurous when choosing a late night haunt.. the vibe was great the energy high.. no attitude and everyone there just to have a great time.. Brandon, Quinn, Dave, and all the others put on a great party see you soon at your next one ! And @Joan!! I concurr !!!!!!!!!!
robyn graves, vancouver bc
08/03/10 6:59 PM EST
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Joan-E, get over yourself...
Did you read the last line in Robin's comment Joan-e? "Any defamatory posts reported to us will be removed". It says "reported to us". Do you really think Robin has the time to wade through the thousands of pissy faggy little comments people (like you) are making and cull them all? Rather than being a BITCH about it, why not simply be polite and email the paper and let them know there are some comments of concern that need to be reviewed. Wouldn't that be a lot more productive? You are supposed to be a role model of sorts to the queer community, not a common joker fanning useless flames of self loathing & contempt that Vancouver already has so much of. You should be better than that.
James, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 2:11 PM EST
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Fire Safety
I have no problem with the fire department insisting that a venue hosting 160 people have a second fire exit. Just google club fire deaths and you'll find several examples of dozens of people killed in the stampede to flee a club during a fire caused by poor wiring, pyrotechnics, an errant match or cigarrette (or joint?). How about this headline: "Ten people killed in pride party fire"
Tim H, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 2:22 PM EST
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james
That is the whole point. This sight is NOT being moderated. AT all. I don't know who you are "JAMES", but I REALLY do hope that "the real" you is never forced to be the topic of a comments section here. Further, my only wish is that everyone on here use a real first and last name, have their email registered and that their comments pre screened...like EVERY other legitamate news sourse does. If XTRA cant do that then, bring this to an end.
Joan-E, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 2:49 PM EST
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JAMES - INCORRECT in your
Actually James, I do believe you are incorrect in your comment. As XTRA offers people the opportunity to post on its site, they do have an obligation to ensure that the posted content does not violate regulations,promote illegal activities or publicly defame or slander others. Please note the "Guidelines for Reader Comments" below, where Xtra tries to pass on some of the responsibility to their readers. Xtra is liable for everything that they print or display, and if they are not able to follow through on their obligation to remove slandarous or defamatory comments, they should remove the opportunity for people to post. Now, Xtra does go through the comments, as they opt to post some of the most controversial or those with resonating points in the paper, and ignore those that do not, however they never seem to remove such comments, as indicated in the Guidelines... Note that people whose websites contain links to child pornography are responsible for the content, whether or not they posted or uploaded the materials. Hate and terror can be spread in many ways, and if Xtra chooses to ignore the comments and leaves them up for all to view, they can most certainly be held liable. Yes people have a choice in what they post, but XTRA has an obligation to ensure the safety of the online forums, something which seems to be too often ignored by our "community" press....
Summer Clearance, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 2:53 PM EST
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Back to the point.
So yes, all of these terrible things have happened, and the fire chief admits that these sorts of inspections are often triggered by complaints. Definitive no, suspicious, yes! Some of us don't like/can't afford downtown parties. We still like to party, SPIT and Queer Bash have offered us venues that allow us to do so that have been fantastic. They are providing to a market that the bigger events aren't. If they can't get venues those of us who want an alternative party scene are out of luck. @Crystal Precious is right, we really do need those spaces, for alternative parties, fundraising, and arts productions. Parties at expensive venues cost too much, fundraisers at expensive venues means that private interests are pocketing the money that should be going to the cause.
Richard, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 4:30 PM EST
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Must have been those girls that did it
The only competing after-hours party that night was Chicks Ahoy's Rainbow party. Goes to show you that yout cant trust those girls, they will shut ya down for just thinking about having party the same night as them. Get real boys, there was no other competing mens after-hours that night. Sounds like the Ironrod folks just want to blame someone other than themselves.
Joeseph, Vancouver BC
08/04/10 8:32 PM EST
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smells fishy
For some reason I find it hard to believe that this is the real Joan-E commenting. She's more together than that. Its sounding more like Jamie Lee Scamilton trying to cause trouble.
LP, V Bc
08/04/10 11:13 PM EST
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READ ME
Wow, what a debate ! I'm sorry for not getting on this earlier to set a few people straight. First of all Open Studios was the Pioneer in LEGAL arts events since 2004. We had fire, building and city authorization to hold our events and were given temporary liscences for liquor sales. In fact the chief liscences inspector at the time Barb Winsor (now retired) granted us approval so that we could help with the upcoming by-law review. We were given an occupancy load of 150 capacity. Because the by-laws are 50+ years old there was no mixed use liscences at the time. So we adhered to every rule every time as we watched other fly by night spaces get busted time and time again. and as promised myself and Malcolm Levy have spent many afternoons presenting ideas and solutions to the By-law review. Unfortunately, there has been a change of guard at city hall and apparently the last fire inspector was too lenient in his assessment of the safety of our exits. So due to this recent complaint we have to widen an exit and install fire sprinklers. If the city had done their job right the first time we would have avoided this entire debacle. So after 200 events and 7 years all it took was a greedy vengeful person to get the city up in arms, all I can say is it sets a bad precedent for how things get done here in Vancouver. let's hope other promoters don't try this too! But why wouldn't they? IT WORKS!!! MONEY IN THE BANK! On a more positive note fans of Open Studios be assured we will WIN this battle. The liscencing department at city hall wants us operating asap. 3 of 6 required upgrades have already been completed. We have hired engineers, lawyers and are now friends with the fire inspectors! In fact we have proposed to the fire department to throw the next firemans Ball! We also will likely be granted a bigger capacity and will be doing more events than ever before. Look out for Iron Rod next year At Open Studios where we have PRIDE in everything we do! Booyaa
Ben reeder, Vancouver Bc
08/05/10 2:21 PM EST
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Joan-E!
Are you going to learn to do cartwheels on stage like Miss Conception in Torontoland does?
Letitia Souterrain, Vancouver BC
08/05/10 3:33 PM EST
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they dont get it
wow - after reading the updates and Bens comments it seems all they care about is who lodged a complaint - not a good way to run/start a business - pointing fingers at other people. Dont you care about your patrons?! doesn't sound like it at all. Leave it alone and carry on and you will get more respect then your whining about wanting to know who did it. It is very tiresome as you try to stir up shit with other promoters. That is what will be remembered about all of this. I hope it turns out to be your mother that did it as she did not want her baby boy in an unsafe environment. Thank god it was shut down as it was unsafe period...now move on.
Joeseph, Vancouver BC
08/05/10 10:41 PM EST
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I want to know...
@Joeseph I for one would like to know. I had planned on attending that event. It was an affordable alternative to the (extremely) overpriced events happening this year. Shit got expensive for pride over last year! I want to know so I don't ever support that promoter's events again. Killed my pride event experience this year.
Random Queer, Vancouver BC
08/09/10 6:18 PM EST
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Disapointed
After all the finger pointing and slander I'm disappointed that not one Iron Rod person would stand up for Big Roger Events who went to their aid that fateful Friday night and tried to get the an alternate space at Gorg-O-Mish, which the promoters refused. Sonoo and his crew were very supportive of this event and huge supporters of their favourite DJ Adam Dreaddy who was to play that night. Watching people demonize this "evil downtown" promoter knowing full well they supported them leaves me wondering why Sonoo has even bothered talking to the city to try and find out who and what happened (which anyone can do btw). So asking stupid questions like "Why was he aware of the exits and capacity" in an attempt to cast suspicions is ridiculous. Very small people attacked him and he was smart enough to check the facts. Get over yourselves guys, let it go. Apparently the city also said that the complaint was triggered because on their flyer it had a later liquor serving time than agreed with the city. I wish those east end queers the best of luck with their parties, i will continue to support them and even help promote them. Just please chalk this up to "live & learn" and move on with your lives. xxoo
Partay Police, Vancouver BC
08/17/10 7:46 PM EST
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Hey Partay Police
Maybe nobody from Iron Rod has actually read these comments. Anbody can be claiming to be anyone in these comments section, you do realize that right? I mean, is your first name really Partay?
Marc, vancouver bc
08/18/10 12:13 PM EST
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