Xtra editor's Facebook post sparks controversy
TRANS / Trans activists call for, then call off, boycott of Xtra
Rob Salerno / National / Friday, December 16, 2011
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Xtra found itself at the centre of a controversy when assignment editor Danny Glenwright posted the birth name of a trans person on his Facebook wall when linking to a story about her on xtra.ca on Dec 12.
 
The trans woman, Lexi Tronic, says she was offended by the reference to her birth name. Several trans activists called Glenwright’s Facebook post “transphobic” and on Dec 13 called for a boycott of Xtra until the paper apologized for it. They called off the boycott the next day, after Glenwright apologized to Tronic personally.
 
Glenwright later published an opinion piece on xtra.ca’s Roundup blog, in which he provided some background to the story and criticized the boycott call. That column has quickly become the most-read story on xtra.ca and sparked more than 100 comments on the site.
 
Tronic and Glenwright were classmates in Winnipeg, where they grew up together, and have known each other for 24 years, Glenwright says. Glenwright says he was surprised when Tronic became the subject of Xtra reporter Andrea Houston’s recent feature on sex workers. Tronic was profiled in that story as a transgender and sex workers' rights activist.
 
Glenwright says he wanted to show their mutual friends in Winnipeg how far Tronic has come and posted a link to the story on his Facebook wall, using her birth first name so they would recognize her.
 
This is the offending post Xtra assignment editor Danny Glenwright made on his Facebook Wall. We have blacked out Lexi Tronic's birth first name.
“Another strange and wonderful ‘small world’ type connection. I have known Lexi (born ****) since Grade 4 and attended my first rave at 14 with her,” he wrote. [We have removed Tronic’s previous first name from this story.]
 
Some trans people feel that referring to a trans person’s birth-assigned gender or name without that person’s explicit consent can be hurtful or offensive, in that they feel it invalidates their transition. If they’re not out, it may also breach their privacy or expose them to danger.
 
Although Glenwright did not use Tronic’s birth surname and she is out to her friends and family and widely known in Winnipeg – she was once the subject of a feature in Xtra in which she gave the author permission to use her full original name and she links to the story from her personal website (satanictrannyslut.com), and she appeared in the internationally syndicated television show Kink – Tronic says she felt wronged that Glenwright used her name in a public forum without obtaining her explicit permission. [NOTE: Tronic removed the link from her website shortly after this story was published.]
 
Glenwright has since apologized to Tronic for offending her and removed the post from his Facebook wall. Tronic has refused to comment for this story.
 
This isn’t the first time Xtra has been criticized by members of the trans community. Earlier this year, Xtra published a story about trans artist Elisha Lim, in which instead of using Lim’s chosen pronoun, the singular “they,” Xtra simply referred to Lim by Lim’s name. Some commenters called that decision transphobic.
 
While acknowledging the inherent problem in English that there is no gender-neutral singular personal pronoun, Xtra considers singular “they” to be confusing for readers.
 
In the wake of the current controversy, some commenters have questioned Xtra’s commitment to trans issues.
 
While Xtra bills itself as “Canada’s gay and lesbian news,” the mission statement of Xtra’s parent company, Pink Triangle Press, reads, “'We have chosen as our public lesbians and gay men, but we bear in mind all those who challenge gender or bend the borders of desire.”
 
Xtra strives to accommodate bisexual, trans, queer, two-spirited and queer allies under that rubric in its reporting, says Xtra publisher Brandon Matheson.
 
“Even though our prime focus is gays and lesbians, we have a lot of people who are trans gay and lesbian people who still are quite active and follow what Xtra does, and the content would be of interest to them,” he says. “Xtra has covered lots of trans-focused material. But the news that is of interest to that community is often of interest to the gay and lesbian community where a lot of our struggles and our interests intersect.”
 
Moving forward, Xtra hopes to continue dialogue both within the trans community and to the wider community. The next issue of Xtra's Toronto edition will contain a guest editorial by out trans woman Tera Mallette, PTP’s quality assurance analyst.
 
In January, Xtra will launch a series of roundtable discussions about trans issues, in an effort to educate and inform writers and readers about trans issues in the media and the queer communities. Xtra will announce more details about the event as they become available.


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clarification
Regarding Xtra's 2009 column, I want to clarify this point a bit. Lexi did indeed write to the author of the article and thanked that person for writing it. However she never explicitly stated anything about that person using her birth name in that email. I talked to Lexi about this in more detail and what happened is she did kind of hesitantly go along with that at the time, but she changed her feelings about that quickly over time. This is one of the complications of being trans though, if you slip up or a journalist slips up just once, that point is always used against you moving into the future. However, I should have spoken more carefully to this point on the other thread and confirmed my statement. I apologize for misspeaking about this. (But then again, when I apologize I do it unambiguously without adding insults into my apology).
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/16/11 8:16 PM EST
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further clarification
Also regarding the website (http://www.satanictrannyslut.com/Lexi_Tronic/home.html ) that is a FAN WEBSITE that Lexi has absolutely no control over. She has asked that person multiple times to have the media link taken off that site but there has been no response. Please don't hold Lexi accountable for something some random person did.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/16/11 8:23 PM EST
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final point: consent in 2011
Finally, regarding the point of consent... technically Xtra did have consent in 2009, that point should not be contested further (though the context should be kept in mind). However, in 2011, Mr. Glenwright posted Lexi's birth name on his facebook wall without Lexi's consent. Lexi then went and politely and privately asked him to take this down (for one thing, she doesn't want people in Winnipeg to think it is okay to call her by this name). Mr. Glenwright point blank refused this request. Even after he apologized to Lexi on the phone for having posted the information, he still failed to take down the facebook post until the next day, when Lexi called him a second time and pleaded with him to take down the facebook post. Hence, there is no argument that in 2011 Lexi's birth name was posted without consent, and even after being asked to take the information down, Mr. Glenwright refused. That is just the fact of the situation.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/16/11 8:30 PM EST
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When are the Queers Of Colour Roundtables?
In other words, those calling for Xtra to include the Trans community in their mission can forget it. Trans communities are not a priority for Xtra but you'll host some roundtable discussions to try to placate anyone upset at being explicitly excluded.
Xtra is too arrogant, Toronto Ontario
12/16/11 8:36 PM EST
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I will weigh in more later
“Even though our prime focus is gays and lesbians we have a lot of people who are trans gay and lesbian people who still are quite active and follow what Xtra does and the content would be of interest to them,” this is about the only moment in the article where i was pleased. i am glad that it is being acknowledged here that us trans people ARE in fact many of the gay and lesbian people that you claim to represent, and until you represent us you don't represent the gay community. there are still inaccuracies in this response, but the change of tone is definitely an improvement from the absurd 'apology'. still, i am troubled by the fact that this response doesn't even ADDRESS how ugly that apology was. they still stand by Glennwright and act like the apology had nothing to do with the angered response. he disrespected our community with some of his remarks and it would not be very hard for Xtra to distance themselves from his comments by stating that Glennwright made a poor decision when writing that post and that he does not represent Xtra's stance. until then, i can't say that the issue is addressed entirely nor settled
Alaska, Toronto ON
12/16/11 8:57 PM EST
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This is NOT an apology.
An apology is something that is sincere and takes the offence seriously. This is NOT an apology. Its full of excuses and irrelevant information. Just see the following paragraph: "Although Glenwright did not use Tronic’s birth surname and she is completely out to her friends and family and widely known in Winnipeg – she was once the subject of a feature in Xtra in which she gave the author permission to use her full original name and she links to the story from her personal web site (satanictrannyslut.com), and she appeared in the internationally syndicated television show Kink – Tronic says she felt wronged that Glenwright used her name in a public forum without obtaining her explicit permission. [NOTE: Tronic removed the link from her web site shortly after this story was published.]" So basically, the only reason you include your previous "permissions" was in order to justify your fuck ups this time? AND THEN YOU DIDN'T EVEN REALLY BOTHER TO CONFIRM FAIRLY IMPORTANT FACTS to which you "clarify" later? Talk about being too busy trying to excuse your way out of a straight up transphobic situation. And you won't even really take these HUNDREDS of comments seriously, inferring that only "some" people think these things-- like that's NOT ENOUGH TO TAKE SERIOUSY?!?! And good luck (/sarcasm) with those roundtables, as if people haven't already told you what the problems are-- as if you expect that transpeoples should be the ones to educate you. If you were really invested in these issues, you'd fucking educate yourself! Ps. "Dialogue" is when both sides actually listen and engage with each other, thus far, I have not seen any evidence of that coming from your direction.
RedskinGirl, Kingston Ontario
12/16/11 9:38 PM EST
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We can all do more to learn
We can all do more to learn about etiquette for trans people. Can anyone post an article setting out do's and don'ts?
Randy, Toronto Ontario
12/17/11 12:07 AM EST
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GLAAD media resource on covering trans people
GLAAD provides such a resource guide: ( http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender ) The specifically state: "Always use a transgender person's chosen name. Often transgender people cannot afford a legal name change or are not yet old enough to change their name legally. They should be afforded the same respect for their chosen name as anyone else who lives by a name other than their birth name (e.g., celebrities)." Note they also refer to an Associated Press stylebook that gives guidelines for reporting on trans individual and trans issues.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/17/11 1:30 AM EST
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moving forward
My feeling is that this story is a step in the right direction. However, one specific point that concerns me is this: "Some trans people feel that referring to a trans person’s birth-assigned gender or name without that person’s explicit consent can be hurtful or offensive..." You state "Some trans people" here as if a handful of trans people who disagree with that statement is enough to justify the idea that it might actually be okay to give out a trans person's birth name in some cases. But I could make an equally valid statement "Some gays feel that the word 'faggot' is offensive." Because there are indeed a handful of gay men who embrace the word 'faggot'... so does that mean it might be okay to throw that word around in some contexts? Wouldn't it be easiest if XTRA just adopted GLAAD's media guidelines on this issue and just avoid this subjective stuff?
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/17/11 1:46 AM EST
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Sensitive?
Really? Really? Really? It's not like he wrote down a lie or something. That is how Mr. Glenwrite and others knew her. Ms. Tronic might not like it, but it was her name at one time and for whatever reason trans activists can't seem to comprehend that no amount of transition will ever change her or any other trans person's past. That doesn't invalidate a trans person or the transition. It's an undeniable reality. So really what is the point of throwing such a fit? Yes, a fit is exactly what it looks like. The past is the past. Don't mistake me for transphobic either. I support trans people and trans rights like changing name's on government docs, full health care coverage, rights to access government services but this inane overly sensitive wining really needs to stop. ''An article didn't use any gender pronouns at all'' How horrible!!! ''He mentioned her birth name?'' How dare he mention the past, even if it is true!! It comes off as somewhat entitled. As if everyone is just supposed to automatically adjust and fully understand every single transperson and all of that persons individual issues and preferences and then if they don't the entire trans ''community'' by extension is insulted.
Jim, Edmonton Alberta
12/17/11 2:57 AM EST
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Too may discrepancies....
I have been following the story since the beginning and things are now very clear to me. Lexi Tronic has obviously approved and provided content for her marketing website, a visit to the site makes it evident it is Tronic's personal marketing page. Using phrases like ‘Tranny Slut’ and an internet address of http://satanictrannyslut.com. How is this not causing some level of controversy? The argument from Tronic’s side has too discrepancies now. Savannah’s ongoing rant is only making matters worse. Xtra is doing the right thing trying to establish dialogue with the entire community.
Sherri, Vancouver BC
12/17/11 9:18 AM EST
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Note from the writer
Thanks for all of your comments. I'd just like to clarify a few points. This article is not intended as an apology. I'm in no position to offer one either on behalf of Xtra or Danny. This is merely a reporting of facts. Savannah, as a matter of fact, I would say "Some gays feel that the word faggot is offensive, and some don't." If it's not 100% true, I can't state it as a fact unattributed, and feelings aren't facts. There are hundreds of out transgendered people who are fully open about their previous names and sex presentations; your statement wouldn't include them, and we need to be able to write about them as well. The roundtables are not being planned because we want to placate a community. We're looking forward for an opportunity to learn more from the trans community and to discuss some issues that frequently come up in our reporting. Regarding the 2009 feature on Lexi, Savannah, your account of the story is very different from the one its author, Kaj Hasselriis, has given me. It's hard to square her going along with it "hesitantly" with the effusive praise she wrote to Hasselriis afterward. I didn't link to the feature as an excuse, but as a reason. Lexi's attitude toward her previous name has apparently changed over time. But she has a past as a very, very public person with a well-known history, including her first name (It's also findable on IMDB). It's understandable how a mistake could be made in that context. As policy, Xtra does not out people for being gay, bi, lesbian, trans, or for their health or HIV status, work in the sex trade, or comparable quality, without their consent, unless there is an important newsworthy reason to do so (ie, uncovering a person's hypocrisy). We know, generally, not to out a person's birth name, but we can't change a existing historical record, especially one that exists widely outside of Xtra.
Rob Salerno, Toronto ON
12/17/11 9:35 AM EST
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hesitantly
I was only addressing the birth name aspect of the story in my comment above, I didn't say she was hesitant about the piece as a whole. It is possible for someone to have mixed feelings about something.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/17/11 10:16 AM EST
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Inclusion
"i am glad that it is being acknowledged here that us trans people ARE in fact many of the gay and lesbian people that you claim to represent, and until you represent us you don't represent the gay community." This. Though it is frustrating that a LG paper which claims to be the 'sole voice' for trans issues is just now figuring out that, yeah, a lot of trans people are queer, at least the realization is happening. Trans women have been erased too often from the history of queer liberation, from Stonewall to lesbian feminist purges in the 1970's. The seemingly willful ignorance of our place in LGBT history by cis gays and lesbians is reflected by the ongoing erasure we face as queers who are trans. If Xtra wants to truly be inclusive of trans people - and trans women especially - you will give us the same access to the platforms you give so many cis gays and lesbians in every issue. Uncensored, let trans people speak about their experiences as queers, even if they're critical of Xtra itself. And not just one token voice, but a diversity of voices. Maybe then I'll start believing Xtra and the cis queer community is ready for a conversation in good faith.
Aleisha, Toronto ON
12/17/11 2:50 PM EST
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verification
To be clear about my use of 'token voice' in my previous comment, I am referring to the tendency of queer publications to have one voice represent all trans people, not the editorial in the next issue. That is a positive move.
Aleisha, Toronto ON
12/17/11 3:01 PM EST
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trans trans trans
Xtra has been a trans paper at the mercy of trans attacks for years. Why the original writer would not know that is the real issue. Where are these gay rubes coming from that they do not know that trans has been the central controlling voice of the LBGTQueer agenda for years. If you say up and trans barks down, you will say down even if it is up.
transisiterresister, Toronto Ontario
12/17/11 3:14 PM EST
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They were created in labs. An endangered species.
They don't control me. They aren't even a real species. They were created in labs. An endangered species for sure. They can't reproduce their own kind. One of the things that endangers them is their own loud whiney mouths. I'm sure many people want to stuff Christmas stockings down those mouths (amongst other things) just to shut them up. A ridiculous meaningless article and comments. These people whine about their name, ad-nauseum, while children are dying of starvation around the world including Canada.
Transresister, Toronto Ont
12/17/11 5:25 PM EST
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Let's work together
As someone who works at Xtra and has a long history with the publication, I can honestly say that Danny Glenright is one of the best editors I have had the pleasure of working with. He brings with him a number of awards and substantial experience in activist journalism, including years of documenting and promoting human rights in Africa and the Middle East. He is proactive, intelligent, thoughtful and dedicated. He is also human. Danny was unintentionally insensitive in mentioning Lexi's birth name on his Facebook page. He was then attacked in a manner that was unreasonable, unhelpful, and often shocking. Danny's blog posting was intended to open up dialogue and challenge his critic's reactions - just as they challenged his. Danny was attempting to provide context to the situation, but in doing so he may have muddied two key points: he is sorry if he hurt anyone, and he has learned from his mistake. I hope that, over time, those offended by his actions can forgive him. One of Danny's first objectives when he arrived at Xtra was to provide more coverage of trans issues, and this incident has proven we need that more than ever - and that we must take steps to better educate ourselves and others about trans etiquette. Xtra is not the enemy, folks. I know that the paper is held to high standards by the communities that we try to support, but you gotta help us by contributing to the discussion. Insults and boycotts get us nowhere.
Lucinda, Toronto Ontario
12/17/11 9:56 PM EST
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Transresister
Please replace every mention of trans people in your hateful statements with 'Jew' or another derided minority and read what you said again. Bigot.
Alaska, Toronto ON
12/17/11 11:11 PM EST
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Transresesister
Why is this person's comments still up here? Are we giving platforms for hate?
kenneth, toronto Ontario
12/17/11 11:39 PM EST
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Clear apology still required
First - I agree with Kenneth and Alaska, Transresistor's comments are hateful. Doesn't Xtra have a policy around hate speech?? Second - Lucinda - Danny may well have done amazing work and is probably a really 'nice guy'... but this doesn't mean that he shouldn't be held ACCOUNTABLE for his actions, especially with something this important. This means that Danny needs to provide a clear and explicit apology for posting Tronic's birth name on his facebook. While Danny has apologized 'generally' and apparently apologized to Tronic about something, Danny also clearly stated in his initial response that he WILL NOT apologize for posting Tronic's birth name on his facebook wall. Savannah and others have made it clear that this is the SPECIFIC apology that is required here because this is the specific action that was harmful. So Danny, if you read this post and others, please re-tract your refusal to apologize for posting Tronic's birth name on your facebook and just apologize! Its the first step to potential meaningful discussion in the future... Third - Rob's comment "There are hundreds of out transgendered people who are fully open about their previous names and sex presentations"... this is not factually accurate. Like is it for gay, lesbian and bisexual people, being OUT about your trans identity is a repetitive, continual process. Just because a trans person is part of a media piece about being trans, does not mean this person wants to be outed as trans in every part of their personal and professional lives. Trans people will make a decision about what name they use depending on the CONTEXT of the situation. The reality is that becuase of oppressive policies, trans people are FORCED to use their birth name in a number of social institutions and have to endure the psychological and potentially violent consequences of not having the power to use their perferred name.
Ed, Montreal Quebec
12/18/11 12:36 AM EST
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Not a friend
Xtra may not be the enemy but it is proving it is not a good friend either. For example, I just searched "trans" on this site and this is the first article that came up: http://www.xtra.ca/blog/vancouver/post/2011/11/18/Chaz-Bono-and-Stephen-Ira-A-trans-catfight.aspx In this article the author refers to two trans men as "women (crossed out) men." Now for what was called "the lone voice for the trans community" this is just sad.
Michelle, Waterloo Ontario
12/18/11 1:12 AM EST
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Time for some Anti-Trans-Phobia 101 Training
I am disturbed by Xtra's lack of awareness and sensitivity around trans issues. Time for some Anti-Transphobia + Anti-Oppression training and apologies. I am queer and I am cis and I don't want to be a part of something that supposedly represents me that is transphobic.
Ms Kittin, toronto ON - Ontario
12/18/11 2:19 AM EST
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More typical evasions
Evading the facts doesn't change them. 1) improper outing was used. 2) an "apology" that in essence says "sorry you're offended" takes NO responsibility for causing the offence. 3) there are gender neutral pronouns (si, hir, hirs) in English, they're just not commonly used. and 4) if in doubt, don't run the story until you ASK the person you're writing about. It's called "common courtesy". Something XTRA has been in extremely short supply of, when writing about Trans issues by non-trans writers. Contrary to the excuses, as the posts above point out, there are the guidelines with the AP stylebook and at http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender. Why is it SO difficult to bother looking when taking a minute to do so, can save a LOT of baloney and ignorant behaviour on the part of those who choose to remain ignorant, rather than learn how to behave with some civility?
Leslea, Coronation Alberta
12/18/11 2:33 AM EST
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Lexi Tronic's statement on this issue
PLEASE READ Lexi's personal statement on this issue: http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/lexi-tronics-statement-on-xtra-boycott-editors-posting-of-her-birthname/
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/18/11 3:06 AM EST
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Response to a strange boycott response
It's quite shocking, the transparent way that Danny heavy-handedly fabricates and insists on his status as helpless and victimized both in his own telling and in the reaction to the story. First, claiming that "It was the only way to tell that story," and then, despite the fact that the particular way he chose to tell it was in fact not a choice but an inescapable necessity (because it was, after all, "the only way"), that he was being bullied for this thing that was not his choice. Much like children are bullied for things beyond their control, like their (actual or perceived) sexual orientation. This, despite the fact that Lexi quite explicitly had shown him a way to respectfully change the way he told the story, in order not to amplify harm, and in spite of the power dynamics at work in this situation. It seems to have escaped him that choosing to tell a story in a way that harms the subject, and then having to deal with the negative reaction from a community who cares deeply about the fact that and manner in which that harm occurs is not analogous to children bullying others they perceive as different.
Vanessa, Vancouver BC
12/18/11 3:07 AM EST
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Trans people were created in labs.
Trans people were created in labs. For example surgically re-sculpting male genitalia to resemble a vagina does not make a man into a woman. The surgery is “cosmetic surgery” because every cell of that person's body still has their original genetic code which was male. The surgery does not transplant ovaries, fallopian structures and uterus that real women have. And they still have a prostate gland, so they won't need diapers. The skeletal structure still has male proportions which make them look male. Make-up and wigs, fake breasts and dresses do not make a man into a woman either. The whole Trans body and lifestyle and fantasy is based on fakery which looks almost passable only in dim light. So many Trans people who though they were being transformed into real females now look like long-shoremen in drag. They look weirder as Trans than in their original natural states. That is why they get so many reactions. What is the difference between a woman who stuffs her breasts with silicone implants and a man who stuffs his/her breasts with silicone implants? Nothing! They're both drag queens. People who have elective cosmetic surgery to alter themselves into some fantasy creature sure are demanding of everyone to change and accept their fantasies. NO! you play with your own fantasies...They don't interest me.
Yawn, Any Town Somewhere
12/18/11 3:07 AM EST
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interesting
Interesting that this issue has elicited more anger & outrage from trans queers, by a massive amount, than Charles McVety's transphobic ads did. I even read, I won't say where for the privacy of all concerned, a trans woman praise McVety's transphobic ads since he spelled out transgender, transsexual, gender queer, inter-sexed & two-spirited while she was attacking cis queers for using the word trans when they were fighting to get Mc Vety's transphobic ads out of publication. Major trans rights/health organizations also regularly use the umbrella term trans. How can anyone seriously be expected to ask each & every trans person how they feel about every word before using them especially when they're commonly used by other trans queers? It reminded me so much of those who insist that people making out or having sex seek permission for each act before they do it, such as may I kiss your cheek now? may I touch your ass now? may I kiss your lips now? & so on & so on. I get the impression that many trans queers expect cis people to do exactly that when talking to them or about trans people in general. Its ridiculous. I agree that Danny's response was a total fail & insulting but I don't see how it was vastly worse than McVety's transphobic ads trying to prevent anything about trans queers from being taught in our schools, yet the response to that from trans queers was quite muted in comparison to the response to Danny. For some trans queers cis queers are their worst enemy but they don't have much of a problem with cis hetero anti-trans bigots. Its easier to attack cis queers for saying something out of line, after all cis queers won't assault a trans queer or work to make the lives of trans queers harder like cis hetero anti-trans bigots might. But get a grip! cis queers are not your enemy, with a few exceptions who hate trans queers, but that's no different than those trans queers who hate cis queers as seen in the comments on this issue.
Someone, Somewhere Ontario
12/18/11 4:24 AM EST
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Xtra's hot air and fog screen, plus hate posts
As a straight cisgender parent of a glbt child, I've been following this "story" with interest. How will the country's largest Gay & Lesbian publication deal with this controversy?! First it started with a journalist/editor acted unprofessionally, he apologized then he justified his action by saying he will not apologize for posting Lexi's former name on his facebook. Couple of articles later, the issues have now gone beyond Lexi, and yet the Xtra writers continue with their focus on Lexi, blame the victim and smear campaign if you will, on past article, her fan created website and the gender pronouns. Where did all this come from? Stay focus and professional Xtra and stop bringing up issues that are fogging up what the trans community is trying to tell you. If you were sincere about wanting to work with any particular community then you need to educate yourself with the help of the said community. You can't hear if you continue to make noise. Admit a mistake, apologize, learn from it and move on. Xtra needs to rein in the haters. Some people are showing the ugly color of the rainbow.
Amy, Calgary Alberta
12/18/11 4:35 AM EST
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Precedent
"Interesting that this issue has elicited more anger & outrage from trans queers, by a massive amount, than Charles McVety's transphobic ads did [...] I don't see how it was vastly worse than McVety's transphobic ads trying to prevent anything about trans queers from being taught in our schools, yet the response to that from trans queers was quite muted in comparison to the response to Danny [...] cis queers are not your enemy, with a few exceptions who hate trans queers, but that's no different than those trans queers who hate cis queers as seen in the comments on this issue." 1. the response to the transphobic ads was actually much bigger than this. don't kid yourself. it was viral on facebook with response ads being made. this point is a distraction 2. trans queers hate cis queers? where are you seeing this? i am a successful artist and known by many, and i would have to say the vast majority of people i know are cis. my partner is a cis queer. all of my friends are cis queers. i know less than 20 trans people really well, and less than 100 as acquaintances. this is once again a complete misdirection. the point here is the disrespect that has been shown by Glennwright: - lying about an apology - posting a smear post after said apology - justifying cissexist and transphobic behaviour using childhood trauma and the ghost of bullying amongst other ideas - abusing his position as a journalist and on top of that, we take Xtra! for task for: - not acknowledging the true controversy - focussing on the red herring of Lexi's consent - defending Glenwright without any form of critique or acknowledgement of his offense as a writer. Where is Glenwright's accountability? Where is Xtra's? Xtra has a long history of disrespecting the trans community in MANY ways. This sets a precedent for all our future dealings.
alaska, Toronto ON
12/18/11 4:42 AM EST
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the spectre of fighting our own allies
the idea has popped up numerous times in comments by Xtra! supporters, that the trans community taking cis queers to task for their magazine's cissexism and transphobia is akin to fighting ourselves instead of the real enemies. i think this stance betrays a fundamental misunderstanding as to how structures of power within our society work. gay and lesbian people were at one point hunted like animals or forced to fake heterosexuality in order to survive. these times have changed, and though they are not entirely equal, they have more power than ever before. this is not the situation for the trans community. trans day of remembrance was very recent, and seeing as one of us is murdered every 3 days last year with our small numbers in mind, we experience violence at proportionately epidemic levels. if violence resulting in death is that high, imagine the violence that doesn't result in death. if people hate us so much to kill us, imagine how many people just want to humiliate us. imagine how much disrespect we receive everyday. as a queer identified trans person, i want Xtra! to represent me as a queer, but they sure disrespect me as a trans person. and that is where this becomes an issue. i'm insulting my allies? YOU are insulting YOUR allies. trans people have always been expected to support the rest of the queer community, from compton to stonewall to 40 years later. and we do, will continue to do so, and only fight this fight against you because we want to stand beside you as equals. it takes nothing but a bit of respect and understanding. the cis queer community demands this of cis straight people and expect it from trans people of all orientations when it comes to their sexual identity. so we ask that the cis queer community respect us even before we take the straight world to task. if you are truly our brothers and sisters, then show us that. sure your kid brother/sister may be annoying in your childish mind, but they are still your responsibility.
alaska, Toronto ON
12/18/11 5:02 AM EST
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Have some respect.
Having read both sides of this story, it is obvious that the actions of Danny Glenwright were petty from the beginning. I believe Danny has shown himself to be a person of poor integrity. His response was more self-preserving and defensive instead of humble and respectful as it should have been.
Natalie Parker, Somewhere On the map
12/18/11 5:33 AM EST
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alaska
alaska in your own words "I will remember this as a great representation as to how rude and boorish the cis community can be" I can just feel the love from here. So some of your best friends are cis eh alaska, where I have heard that sort of thing before? I never did say that all trans queers hate cis queers but how you can seriously claim that no trans queers hate cis queers is beyond me. There is too much animosity between trans & cis queers that is evident in many of the comments, particularly in reaction to Danny's response, lots of which are anti-cis like the claims cis queers are the same and are "rude and boorish" and oppressive of trans queers, check your own comments alaska. Also check out any Xtra article on McVety's transphobic ads, barely a peep from those now commenting about Danny's fuck up. The overwhelming majority of action I saw taken against McVety's ads was by cis queers, or at least those who identified as LGB, perhaps its just because there's more cis queers than trans queers I don't know but there certainly wasn't the same hatred directed at McVety as there is directed at Danny. Yeah he fucked up & should've just apologized, but do you really think he's any sort of threat to trans queers at all? let alone more of a threat than McVety & his kind? As a gay cis man there's lots of things I don't like about some allies, their disregard for or downplaying of the suffering experienced by gay men claiming its not so bad these days, gay men have it easy when gay men are subjected to by far the most hate based violence in Canada, the assumption that gay men are middle class & financially well off & not affected by bigotry, the assumption that gay men constantly have sex, are naturally fashionable, always dance/party & so on. Yet I certainly wouldn't turn on our allies because their stereotypes are insulting to me. I'm well aware of the bigger battle for social equality, such stereotypes are so tiny compared t
Someone, Somewhere Ontario
12/18/11 6:22 AM EST
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Lexi's response
Lexi has published her response: http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/lexi-tronics-statement-on-xtra-boycott-editors-posting-of-her-birthname/
James M, Sydney NSW
12/18/11 6:46 AM EST
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Someone, Somewhere Ontario
"their disregard for or downplaying of the suffering experienced by gay men claiming its not so bad these days, gay men have it easy when gay men are subjected to by far the most hate based violence in Canada" UM, prevalence relative to the size of the population?
Casey Robinson, SF California
12/18/11 7:10 AM EST
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split the GL from the T now!
Screeds like the "cis"-hate and gay/lesbian disdain of Ur-Victims like alaska make this gay male move even further from anything trans. Trans people may have once been related but there is no connection now other than fury, rage, hate and contempt. You are not brothers and sisters. You have positioned yourself as the victims of cis gay oppressors. So fuck you. Start your own Trans Xtra, kick out all cis from all trans orgs, and start your own trans movement that finally removes the horror of cis and gay. And save the Trans 101 re-education camp bullshit for the simpering ninnies who love being kicked for having not been born a trans person. (ps and so called gay or lesbian trans people will have to straddle 2 worlds just like other hyphenated gays and lesbians do every day).
separate now!, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 9:30 AM EST
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This is a non story...
That has been turned into a selfish grab at advertising dollars by Xtra! at Lexi and the trans community's expense. Plain and simple. Thank you for your gentleness in all this, Lexi. In my opinion, she shouldn’t have to clarify a simple request to remove her name, but because she has been personally attacked I understand it. The fact is, Lexi requested a very simple, achievable action. And that request was vehemently, publicly, and repeatedly denied. It has specific weight and consequences for anyone who is a trans female sex worker. That is why Xtra’s vigilance in maintaining they have a right to further harm her (and us trans ppl) is despicable. In my mind, Xtra! is getting what they want – exposure – advertising revenue, at Lexi's expense (and by extension, the trans community). If they want a solution to this, they know the answer. Apologize for the refusal to remove Lexi's name. Don’t ever do it again without someone (anyone and especially a trans person’s) consent. Commit to this. The end. As for the cis gay male attacking trans being and rights on here anonymously - do you call yourself an ally? Nobody gets that status unless who they are supposedly allying for deems them as such. That is the nature of the power imbalance as someone with, in this case, cis privilege. You don't get to decide how to respect me. Xtra! are not de facto allies, they must earn it. It is very simple and takes little effort and humility to do so. The hate you have posted is emblematic of the very reason why such simple actions re: respecting trans folks are necessary. I haven't read Xtra! for years because they do not represent the Queer community on the West Coast or here. I still care how they treat my family though. I guess Xtra! will continue to make "news" out of their refusal to respect trans people, while blaming us for our own hurt. Before you come to us, do your own work Xtra!. You have lots of advertising dollars to do so.
xtra sissy, TO ON
12/18/11 10:09 AM EST
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no ally here
xtra sissy (your real name I presume), as a "cis gay male" I am stating that I am NOT your ally. I abhor everything you now stand for. Queer and Trans are a new species of Fury Victims. I want nothing to do with any of you until you RESPECT my cisness and admit to YOUR privilege. If gay means having to be an ally of trans, then I am no longer gay. And from what I read in the original article, the trans women was the original nasty and bullied and victimized the young gay male. But that violation was pooh poohed because a trans person bullying a gay male child is less important than someone using a person's actual birth name which is part of the person and on record with everyone who knew the person back when. Trans priorities are privileged ones. And ones that manipulate victim status. Btw, stats can be manipulated for any ends. As this article quote from Brazil shows, trans people are murdered at high rates, but homosexual men are murdered at an even higher rate. "In 2010, 260 gay men, transvestites and lesbians were murdered in Brazil. According to a report by the Grupo Gay da Bahia (GGB) released on Monday, every day and a half a Brazilian homosexual is killed. In the past five years, there has been an increase of 113 percent in the number of murders of homosexuals. In the first three months of 2011 alone, there were 65 murders. Among the victims, 54 percent were gay men, 42 percent were transvestites and four percent were lesbians. Luiz Mott, the anthropologist responsible for the survey, believes the statistics are smaller than the reality. “Those 260 documented murders are an underreported number, because there are no official hate crime statistics in Brazil. The situation for homosexuals is extremely troubling.”
separate now!, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 10:39 AM EST
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Support
I've been following this discussion from a distance, mostly via Facebook, from which some trans friends of mine have been linking and commenting. I'm adding my voice to the discussion simply to show support for trans people. I don't have a lot to add, because frankly several people have already very eloquently said all there was to say. It's a little baffling that others continue to miss the point and I don't know how to make them see what is so plainly in front of their eyes. The way Xtra has "reported" this incident is a series of derailing tactics and defensive statements. It's not only insulting and dishonest, but also harmful in that it distorts the facts and attempts to discredit the very valid concerns of trans people. You can see the direct negative effect of that just by reading the comments on this page, where many people accept Xtra's account of what happened without questioning it or looking deeper into it. It's divisive and, frankly, sickening. I don't read Xtra, so a boycott from me is totally irrelevant and useless. But I just wanted to say that I'm a gay man and you don't represent me and I'm not part of whatever community you think your audience is. I had no interest in picking up your rag before. Now I feel confident that I can continue to ignore it without missing anything.
Yan Basque, Montreal Quebec
12/18/11 11:02 AM EST
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In solidarity with those hurt by this
In solidarity with all individuals and communities hurt by this ordeal, I’d like to suggest that this supremacism, which leads some to believe that they are above respecting others with their preferred mode of address, is a problem that needs to be addressed in and across every community. Ditto this refusal to apologize when one’s actions result in others experiencing pain. It is my belief that the editor and magazine ought to do more to correct this wrong.
Graeme L, Montreal QC
12/18/11 11:14 AM EST
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From Lexi's response...
"After that second message Danny blocked me from contacting him on facebook. I even tried to call him at Xtra but he would not take my calls." I think that tells us everything we need to know about the character of Danny Glenwright.
David, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 11:21 AM EST
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Stop Making Excuses
This is an issue of respect. To respect trans people is to respect how they wish to be identified; whether that be through the pronouns they want to be addressed by, the name they wish to be called, the history they are comfortable with sharing. If Xtra wishes to be known as a publication that respects trans people then they should be listening to trans people themselves. Do not make excuses for disrespecting a community that struggles for legitimacy and safety on a daily basis. If you are an ally, you will take responsibility for your actions and learn from them. It is disappointing to read defenses of Danny's character, when what is important is not how good an editor he is, but rather what a bad trans ally he has become. Please get educated yourselves, find a creative way to undo these injustices, and accept responsibility for causing pain not just to one person but to a community (which includes many cis trans allies). Stop making excuses. Do not promote hate. Do not compete for victim status. Do not make this about gay vs. trans identities. Do not make this about anything except a stubborn desire to out someone against their will. DO have this act as a moment to educate a public that clearly needs education and promote writing that respects trans identities.
Amy Louis, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 11:28 AM EST
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Give Me Back My T!
There's a core group of trans people that want to move away from a good deal of the LGB mainstream, because the LGB has shown itself, repeatedly, to be staggeringly ignorant, clueless and insensitive about the T. They have thrown us under the bus for political purposes, most notably Svend Robinson's C250, in which equal rights for trans were dumped at the last minute so the LGB portion of the bill would be more palatable to the MPs voting on it. They have planned parties and non-trans related major events on Nov 20th, which, if they think it's a celebration, shows a basic ignorance of the purpose of Trans Day of Remembrance, and a high level of insensitivity if they treat it as irrelevant. They show a lack of understanding of our reality, why we need to guard our identities, for self esteem, well-being, health, and our safety. Our lives literally depend on it. Our pasts are nobody's business but our own. Now this, what to the LGB is an insignificant event, but is of vital importance to trans people. Glenright thinks he can do whatever he wants with Lexi Tronic's former name because they grew up together and because he was allowed to publish it in a previous article. Now, I don’t know much about Lexi or how sie identifies, but if you go to hir blog post about the subject, sie states that, even if sie did grant approval for a story in 2009, that doesn't give him carte blanche to do it forever. Look at the hatred in the comments to this article, shite suggesting that trans people were created in labs, and aren't really a 'species'. I don't know if that's coming from LGB or whether some trolls have crept in from the cis-hetero mainstream. Hell, they could be from McVety himself for all we know. But Xtra has chosen to publish these offensive comments nonetheless. I've been wary of the way the LGB treats us since the C250 thing. We help them whenever they need it, but they typically are not there for us. Saddening. http://genderreality.wordpress.com
RadarGrrl, Trenton Ontario
12/18/11 11:29 AM EST
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trans people responded to McVety ads
I just want to address the claim by "someone/separate now!" that no one in the trans community responded to Charles McVety's hate campaign against trans people. That is completely false, there was a grassroots campaign, started by Chase and his partner Alexis, to address that from the very beginning, which I myself participated in along with many others in the trans community, including cis allies. I also wrote about this topic on my blog [ http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/blatant-transphobia-appears-as-full-page-ads-in-the-national-post-and-toronto-sun/ ] and participated in the twitter campaign and response to the jackasses at SUN tv who ran McVety's ads as tv commercials. Other trans writers in Canada (Dented Blue Mercedes, for example) also wrote on this issue and drew attention to it. Mainstream gay organizations just ignored us or described the ads as "homophobia". The Xtra articles on this weren't bad, although one wonders why they couldn't ask for trans writers to address the issue.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/18/11 11:33 AM EST
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misquotation
"alaska in your own words "I will remember this as a great representation as to how rude and boorish the cis community can be" I can just feel the love from here. So some of your best friends are cis eh alaska, where I have heard that sort of thing before?" ----- way to take my comment out of context. in my statement i was talking about the hope i have for the cis community as exemplified by cis people i already know, and my disappointment in Danny for being completely out of date in his stance: --- "The young cisgender gay men who hear about this and respond with concern about their community's rampant disrespect for us and our long difficult struggle remind me that even if your kind are the majority, you are still wrong. Slavery was wrong thousands of years before it abandoned in most the world, homophobia has been wrong since before the Roman empire rose, and transphobic insensitivity is wrong right now, even if you don't care. When I am old and your kind of insensitive middle aged gay male attitude is now that annoying shit your grandpa says, and transpositive straight youth school you with their support and understanding(its already starting), I will remember this as a great representation as to how rude and boorish the cis community can be." ---- please quote me in context. i attend a school with nary another trans student as far as i can tell, and my straight cisgender classmates are more transpositive. i work as an artist and social figure amongst cisgender people and they started around me with the same kind of attitudes i hear from Glenwright and the hateful commenters on this thread (the worst of which i do not waste time responding to). now, they have learned what we go through, and understand that we are NOT privileged in this society. the idea that us critiquing those with privilege and hoping for understanding means we HATE the individuals we critique mean that the cis gay community hates straight
alaska, Toronto ON
12/18/11 11:35 AM EST
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confusion and misdirection
strange how now that this issue has grown, the defenders of Glenwright and Xtra have changed from discussing the issue at hand, to openly advocating hate against our community. i attribute this to Xtra continuing an environment where they have not responded to the real concern and continue to dangle red herrings of hate for the cisgender queers who hate us. the argument has been shifting into telling us that we are the hateful ones, because Xtra has fogged and mired the story in confusion. we have run into another stonewall, except this time the wall is one that has been built against understanding and respect. and this wall fences off an area that in some corners breeds hate, as we can see in the comments calling us lab-experiments. Xtra may not themselves be advocating this hatred, but they sure are shoring up the wall that these jerks lob volleys from. if Xtra purports to support our community, all they would have to do is turn their cheek today, admit they made a mistake and set a PRECEDENT for future dealings in order to garner our community's trust. this is not a set back in our relations, this is a step FORWARD
alaska, toronto on
12/18/11 11:51 AM EST
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"dialogue" ??
I find it really disingenuous that Danny is here talking about the need for "dialogue," yet we learned today from Lexi's account that when she approached him about the issue, not only did he ignore her request to remove her birth name from his profile, then he blocked her from contacting him on facebook and he initially refused her calls. I think it's a funny thing to talk about the value of dialogue when you actually and actively refuse to listen to what someone is saying. (I honestly didn't realize this point myself until Lexi sent me her account. This has erased all doubts in my mind about what is really going on here).
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/18/11 12:21 PM EST
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a bad face to the LGBT COMMUNITY
that is completely unacceptable, as an LGBT advocate U look up to magazines that support the cause of the full community. but offending the trans community at large shows a disgusting utter lack of tact and intelligence, I refuse to and will no longer support this magazine for it's transphobic rhetoric. the only acceptable means of correcting this is to fire the editorial staff of the magazine. the damage has been done and I am now making a push to inform the lgbt community at large that your magazine endangers the lives of trans individuals and damages the image of the entire LGBT community at large by it's stark display of intolerance and unwillingness to one group or another. by "outing" someone in public who is trans you line them up to get murdered you idiots. i no longer support Xtra and the views it portrays. thank you for damaging the whole community.
Snow, calgary alberta
12/18/11 1:03 PM EST
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Casual mistakes
What always strikes me during situations like this is that the offenders don't even realize the mistake they were making -- THAT'S how internalized our concepts of identity and gender are. Discussions and info sessions and trainings are great but let's be realistic here, people: paying lip service wont change the problem. The problem is how we think. We need to re vision and truly internalize the idea that people can grow, people can change, and people can make choices about who they want to be. One casually misused name or pronoun can instantly undo what undoubtedly took "the subject" years to build up. I would think that of all people, writers would understand this.
Jenn, Montreal Qc
12/18/11 1:19 PM EST
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In solidarity with the trans community
The audacity of Glennwright to publish anything other than Lexi's chosen name exemplifies the continuing ignorance of the cis-gay community in their understanding of trans people's experience. The fact that people are rising to defend him and Xtra goes beyond mere ignorance, and exposes much of the deep-rooted hatred that trans folk have to deal with on a constant basis. The fact that Xtra is still taking on a defensive tone, along with the simple fact that there isn't more respect for someone's wishes surrounding their gender identity, absolutely disgusts and enrages me. Xtra, you should be ashamed of yourselves. And get those fucking Transresistor comments off of this site for christs sake.
Clayton, Montreal q
12/18/11 1:25 PM EST
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Frustration
I am commenting in support of my trans friends but really just out of frustration to the backlash from people who are commenting that trans people need to 'get over it' and stop being 'victims'. There is obviously a hierarchy of oppression at play and in response to the person posting statistics illustrating who is the bigger victim (gay men vs. trans people) just reinforces the idea that instead of attempting to figure out how we can support one another in each other's fight against oppression (as various, different and intersecting as each person's may be) we are shutting people down and even further victimizing them by minimizing their struggle. Just because you can't identify with someone's struggle/reality does not mean it doesn't exist or that it is somehow not real. Those who are making demands that people need to stop 'complaining' most likely hold certain privileges to that kind of self righteous thinking. Why do you think you can tell someone how to feel or that their struggle matters or not (and when)? I have to admit, I am not as aware as I would like to be about trans issues/preferences/daily struggles. Actually reading up about all of this and following what people are saying has been really helpful to my awareness and understanding. And I continue to remain receptive to what people need...even if that information sometimes seems conflicting/confusing...it is only so because I am used to speaking/constructing things i.e. pronouns in a particular way. Thank you Alaska, Savannah and Lexi for continuing to offer insight and breaking down/sharing your realities to us, so those of us who want to be supportive of the trans community but may not know how to approach, can be better informed. I know that this work is very time consuming and can feel like a great burden (that we often place on victims of oppression to i.e. explain their struggle to inform the masses, which is unfair and triggering) but thank you.
C, Toronto ON
12/18/11 1:57 PM EST
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Stale Bullying Beef
Hi. Cisgendered straight male here. This is an open letter to the editor under fire here, regarding the story of bullying. I've been pretty passive, thinking my experience wasn't relevant, until I read Lexi's response. Apparently there is a silent vendetta surrounding a bullying incident over 2 decades ago. We're talking about elementary school here. Let's establish something right here. It is almost impossible to find anyone who wasn't a piece of shit at some point before they graduated high school. I can't go around treating my friends like we're still 10 years old, because we're not. We've grown up. We've all changed. That being said, I have my own story to tell. As a cisgendered straight male, I was bullied in high school. I was roughed up, I was mocked, I was humiliated on a regular basis, I was ostracized, I had my personal belongings vandalized and destroyed, I got it bad. This ends up with years of depression, agoraphobia and social anxiety. I'm still learning to deal with people without a goddamn fight or flight reflex. Now then, who bullied me? Turns out the main instigator was gay. So what did I do? Did I end up hating all gay people? Fuck that man, I don't even hate that one guy. We were 13. Even if we met years and years later, I wouldn't hold it against him, because we've grown up. Let's not forget that being the victim of bullying gave me perspective. I know what it's like to be hurt, humiliated, scared and alone, and now I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. I also know, second hand, how fucking hard it is to be trans in this world, and how powerful a former first name is. So when I see the "perfume boy" incident brought up as justification for the editor's behaviour, you do not sound like a victim. You are a bully. As you allow this to continue without apologizing, you victimize not only Lexi, but the entire trans community. Put this to a stop. Apologize. High school is over, grow up. - Once bullied by a queer, now an ally to que
B, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 2:10 PM EST
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The thing is, is that
While there may be other issues stemming from the discourse surrounding this event, I don't think they should take prominence over the the fact that Lexi Tronic was the victim of a reporter who had no respect for INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS (this is the core of the issue). Calling out cis/gay/non trans people is wrong-- it is problematic for ANYONE to stigmatize/negatively connote ANY group of people (which we seem to 'understand' so well yet can't seem to deal with the task at hand without insulting a whole community in the process, detracting attention from what started this exchange in the first place)FORGET THE PETTY *BONUS/EXTRA* HATE COMMENTS. Tronic HAS THE RIGHT to reveal and conceal her birth name; her reasons for doing so are to be respected. And yeah, until the presence of the trans community is acknowledged, accepted and understood by normative (let alone non normative) communities, things are naturally going to be a little bit sensitive. Who are you to dismiss this?
Gwen, Irrelevant QC
12/18/11 2:20 PM EST
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Aggressive Verbose Shit
Try this aggressive verbose shit in any other newspaper and see what you would get. Journalists dig for information about people and events. Journalists expose uncomfortable realities and hidden agendas. That's their job. They do that all over the world. Try to get them to apologize for the truth. All of you posters sound like immature 13 year old highschool girls, screaming at the same time, spouting unrealistic idealisms through your teeth braces stuck full of bits of baloney. Shut up and go away already. If you wanna separate the -T- from the -LGB- good riddance. BTW Trans would not have the possibility to exist in your present state without medical intervention. Trans are unnatural creatures, created in labs using elective cosmetic surgery on superficial body structures. The internal organs and cells and DNA remain the same as before. The term “Sex Change” is a “Phallussy.” So big deal, you had cosmetic surgery. Does that make you special enough to scream so long and so loud? NO! Fuck off!!!
LGB, Everywhere the World
12/18/11 3:52 PM EST
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problem...no problem just sales!
Reading this article was very disturbing to say the least. Mr. Glenwright stated "he wanted to show their mutual friends in Winnipeg how far Tronic has come and posted a link to the story on his Facebook wall, using her birth first name so they would recognize her." and through the context that has been undisputed as facts of these statements shows "malice" Being an editor of media knows what he can or can not say. Putting the statement on a public forum further shows the intent was less than friendly. Feeling no need for a formal apology further supports that his publication is allowing this to continue is strictly for capital gain and doesn't reflect any violation caused by the editor thinking because he used his private face book releases any contempt from them. Mr. Glenwright's name in his facebook emulates the power of his name professionally reflecting back to his employer and being a publication directly focusing on the"LGBT COMMUNITY" further supports the reality that first they are capitalizing on this article and secondly how is this person still employed with them. If Mr. Glenwright had sent emails to ppl in the form of gossip it would have released the irresponsibility of his employer but that wasn't the case so in turn they support him in his personal hate.
Nicole, Calgary Alberta
12/18/11 4:06 PM EST
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right to 'scream so long and so loud'
Folks who wonder what gives trans people a right to scream so long and loud, you finally get your answer. Stick a knife in your chest or better yet, your crotch and then you will have a right to scream long and loud too. As for now, whatever hate you like to spew, however you've tried to delegitimize the right for trans people to exist and demand respect, has been a waste of time as you have not said anything new or educational. In fact, every attack I have heard against transsexuals has made the guilty party into a broken record. And forgive me, but I don't understand why anyone would want to have their inability to understand a common, normal function of the human and animal and plant body (sex transition), self-righteously repeated to the public ad nauseam. Wikipedia can save you a lot of embarrassment, babe.
Kenji Tokawa, Toronto Ontario
12/18/11 4:20 PM EST
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confusing?
i'd like to comment something no one else has. 'Xtra considers singular “they” to be confusing for readers' seriously? that's the reason given for not respecting someone's chosen pronoun? you didn't want to confuse readers? i'm sure many a reader has been confused before. this is a ridiculous excuse that speaks to xtra's poor record of representing trans people. i would suggest xtra and other confused readers use a search engine and start looking up how to be trans allies. also, what's with all the outright hate speech against transpeople on this msg board?
kit, toronto on
12/18/11 5:16 PM EST
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Kit
thanks for pointing that out. i just want to point out that using 'they' as a singular pronoun is standard on legal documents in court, so yes, the explanation is not just offensive, but WRONG. they claim 'they' is not a singular nongendered pronoun, but it is in fact in the english language.
alaska, toronto on
12/18/11 6:05 PM EST
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please just stop
regarding this: =========================== "Trans would not have the possibility to exist in your present state without medical intervention. Trans are unnatural creatures, created in labs using elective cosmetic surgery on superficial body structures. The internal organs and cells and DNA remain the same as before. The term “Sex Change” is a “Phallussy.” So big deal, you had cosmetic surgery. Does that make you special enough to scream so long and so loud? NO! Fuck off!!!" =========================== This is the kind of shit we trans folks deal with on a regular basis. Do people understand this? Do people understand that this sentiment is not one of a tiny minority, but the sludge we trans folks have to swim in every day? Do folks understand how that manifests in the real world? It manifests in violence, exclusion, discrimination, and for predominantly trans women of colour, murder. Please, please, just stop. Please, just apologize and let it be. Please, stop trying to be our fucking allies when this is how you behave (whether you're willing to say it out loud or not), because you are killing us.
romham, vancouver bc
12/18/11 7:16 PM EST
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This is petty shit. Not news.
Some lower forms of animals do go through sex transition --naturally. It is not known in mammals. The sex transition that Trans people go through is not natural, nor is it really “sex transition,” as sex is regulated by DNA. In Trans people their actual sex remains the same as their DNA has not changed, nor have their reproductive mechanisms changed: males do not acquire uterus and ovaries and retain their prostate, females do not grow prostate glands nor testes and maintain their uterus and ovaries. It is only superficial surface structures which are remodelled to resemble a vagina or a penis (which does not work). It is “Elective Cosmetic Surgery.” So you are asking and paying a doctor to stick a knife in your crotch. It is not done to you without your consent. You asked for it. So, shut the fuck up and stop screaming. Or scream silently. I don't want to hear it. There are far greater injustices happening in the world than someone calling you by your birth name. This is petty shit. Not news.
We Want News not Bullshit, Toronto Ont
12/18/11 7:31 PM EST
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Savanah
Savanah please point out where I said "that no one in the trans community responded to Charles McVety's hate campaign against trans people" What I said is that the hatred for McVety from trans people paled in comparison to the hatred for Danny. Cis queers were doing an awful lot like filing complaints with the ad standards council, with the NP, the Sun, emailing MPPs/MPs, raising awareness about McVety's hate campaign in the mainstream media, collecting signatures on petitions demanding the cancellation of McVety's transphobic campaign. That was done by cis queers of all ages because we knew how wrong, hateful & dangerous for trans people his campaign was. Yet some are more than willing to throw all that support and cooperation away, deny it even exists, because of one cis queer's words. Danny fucked up in using Lexi's birth name & made things worse in his statement on it. Maybe trans queers just expected it from McVety so weren't so angry with him as they were with Danny who should've known better, I don't know, but I do know that the real enemy is people like McVety who see both trans & cis queers as less than human. Just because Danny fucked up & was insulting is no reason to attack all cis queers like some are doing claiming that cis queers of a certain age are all anti-trans. Anytime anyone claims all people of any group are all the same its prejudice plain & simple not as disgusting as some anti-trans comments here but still prejudice. All are individuals & should be treated as such even if we're cis. The tribalism I've seen in some comments will do no one any good. Some demand cis queers automatically understand differences between trans individuals yet themselves misunderstand the realities faced by cis gay men especially, who as a group receive much of their anger. All queers are still oppressed in their own ways. Those who think being a cis gay man is so easy have no clue, maybe it is for a few but most still face violence
Someone, Somewhere Ontario
12/19/11 5:09 AM EST
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Savanah cont'd
I got cut off, my previous comment ended with... but most still face violence or the threat of it & bigotry on a daily basis.
Someone, Somewhere Ontario
12/19/11 5:12 AM EST
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"Someone, Somewhere"
Hello Mr. Somewhere, This thread isn't about you, or gay men. It is about respecting trans people... especially trans women. But just so we're clear, yes, gay men have to deal with gender based phobia and violence (sometimes transphobic violence) as well, depending on how non-normatively masculine they present. They also deal with homophobic violence. This means that cis gay men should be ESPECIALLY interested in building bridges with trans women by supporting, and respecting them.... instead of trying to derail conversations with the greater power, privilege, and access they have vis a vis trans women. And, in calling out ACTIONS that are cissexist or transphobic - nobody has said that Mr. Glenright is a horrible person. That is also a derailment. We are talking about behaviour - a refusal to respect trans women. Thank you to everyone who has commented in support of respecting trans women/ppl.
Xander, Toronto ON
12/19/11 9:55 AM EST
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Dissapointing
I'm not normally the type to comment, but given the enormous amount of anti-trans hatred in the comments, by those claiming to speak for the LGB community no less, I think it's necessary. Ignorance and poor education about trans issues are widespread even among those who support trans rights. Too often, the burden falls upon trans individuals to educate, repeatedly, those who call themselves trans allies about what is offensive and why. As allies, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves wherever possible, and to own, not deny, any mistakes we make along the way. If Glenwright's intentional use of Lexi's birth name was done out of ignorance, than it is hardly an overreaction for the community to expect a real apology. The anti-trans bile in some of the comments on this thread is extremely disappointing. As a cis gay man, I'd like to state firmly that these comments do not speak for all of us, and to express my disappointment with Xtra for allowing such hateful garbage. And Someone, I understand where you're coming from, but I really do think it's fair for the trans community to expect better from their allies than haters like McVety. McVety is undeniably a real enemy, what the trans community is right to question here is whether or not Glenwright, or Xtra, are committed to being allies, even when that means admitting that they did wrong.
Richard, Halifax Nova Scotia
12/19/11 10:57 AM EST
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Someone, Somewhere
I will give you credit this time that at least your second comment comes across a bit more sincere than your first. You're right that tribalism can at times be excessive, and indeed there have a few comments on these two threads that went over the top in attacking Danny. That is a fair point. Now, when you suggest that maybe trans people expect McVety to do the kind of things he does, as compared to what happened in the present case, there is some truth to that. However that does reveal the full scope of things. I think oftentimes cis people fail to understand what is at stake for us. For example, at an earlier point in my transition, I needed a recommendation letter from one of my previous academic advisors. Since I am applying to my new job as Savannah, I need a letter that refers to me as Savannah and uses female pronouns. My advisor flat out refused this request, meanting that essentially I get no recommendation for no other reason than the fact that I am trans and he refuses to use my chosen name. That isn't fucking tiddly-winks that is at stake, that is my fucking job! Now if even someone who calls themselves my "ally" gets away with calling me by my birth name in order to "spark dialogue," just what the fuck am I supposed to tell my goddamn stuffy-ass boss when I need a fucking recommendation letter??
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/19/11 4:10 PM EST
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Someone, Somewhere 2nd pt
And btw, before bragging about how many cis queers are out there writing letters against McVety's hate ads, I would maybe keep in mind that a lot of trans people just scraping to get by, including a significant number of trans women who are doing survival sex work. I mean, really, when you brag about the amount of time spent writing letters and such, you're kind of bragging on your privileges (and I acknowledge with, relatively speaking, a fair amount of privilege myself). We're also a much smaller portion of the population.
Savannah, Toronto ON
12/19/11 4:18 PM EST
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Multiple universes; light years apart
Dealing with Trans is like tiptoeing barefeet on eggshells. So you are going through a “transition” --that you elected to do. You have the hormone levels and fluctuations of a pubescent teen --with braces on her teeth. And now you expect the whole world to take notice of you and redirect all previous cultural values to suit you. It's all about you. You are the most important thing happening in the world. You are the centre of your own universe --just like everyone else is the centre of their own universe. Multiple universes; light years apart.
Enough, Toronto Ontario
12/19/11 4:40 PM EST
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Savannah's post on Dec. 19 at 4:10 pm
I think it's great that Savannah is a physicist. In particular, I understand that her last appointment was as a postdoctoral researcher in the Chemical Physics Theory Group at the University of Toronto. Aside from working to break down trans stereotypes as an activist, she personifies it in her work. It's upsetting that an academic in a supposedly progressive environment like a university would not give her a recommendation letter that refers to her as Savannah and uses female pronouns. I would think a recommendation letter should be based solely on her knowledge, skills and past performance as a physicist and an academic. (P.S. I am anti-QuAIA, so Savannah does not have much use for my politics and I have strongly disagreed with her in the past over QuAIA. As a result, in real life, we would never like each other. Still, I really don't like the way she was treated by her former supervisor.)
Jake, Toronto Ontario
12/19/11 11:18 PM EST
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respect
As a proud supporter of the trans community, and the lover of a proud trans woman, I have witnessed the daily struggles associated with being trans in this shitty time. I have followed this story from the beginning, and see this as more than just a passing interest. Conversations like this need to continue happening. We all need to be as vocal is we ever want to be heard. I'd like to thank everyone who stood up for themselves, their rights, and their commitment to positive change. You have brought to light some of the larger issues we need to challenge. I will be standing by your side. I'm proud of all of you. This is just the beginning.
lofty, toronto ont
12/19/11 11:50 PM EST
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Breeding ground for divisiveness
I return to the Xtra website to find the commentary for the articles published of late still going strong and still as negative and hateful as ever. Still perpetuating what is sadly commonplace in our community - divisiveness. Instead of using this situation as a springboard for dialogue that could help us learn from each other and share information that could potentially alert people to behaviours or actions they would not otherwise know are considered offensive to others in one of the many communities that make up our larger community. I have had the privilege of knowing Danny for nearly ten years, and our community is lucky to have someone that is so passionate about human rights and is not afraid to speak up and share his views on whatever the issue is at hand. He is a respecte journalist that tells as much of a story as he can, researching and gathering facts and info and includes voices of people that have lived experience he can share in a story. So his writer happened to find someone to contribute to her assignment on sex workers that happened to be a person he shared past experiences with. They still have some common friends and they knew the name of the person now known as Lexi. Danny shared the birthname to help make a connection for people sharing a common past. He wouldn't have used it knowing it would be offensive and result with him deemed transphobic and spark such hatred for him and Xtra. I read an apology, but others claim it was clouded by defensiveness. Danny even accounts his phone call to Lexi and apologising for using her name, but this isn't good enough. I was tickled when this article was shared and many responses to it disgusted that it did not acknowledge Danny's poor actions. It did not have too and it wasn't the intention of the article. I think it was a nice piece exposing the flawed attempt to claims use of her birthname was transphobic. I support Xtra and we all should. Lets use it for dialogue that can help us unite not divide.
Tim, Toronto Ontario
12/21/11 1:09 AM EST
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refusal the issue
Hello! It seems that the individuals on here who claim divisiveness don't understand one very simple fact: the outright REFUSAL of Mr. Glenwright to remove Lexi's birthname and the claim he has a right to post it. Period. End of story. Mr. Glenwright offered a phone apology after being HOUNDED. He then kept Lexi's name on his page despite saying he would remove it. He then published a story about him being the victim of bullying of trans activists all the while claiming to be an ally, AND STILL REFUSING to account for his REFUSAL to remove the damned name! If you don't know why this caused a huge reaction in the trans community then noone can explain it better for you.
sgt. genital, toronto ON
12/21/11 3:01 PM EST
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Tim...
Tim - have you read Danny's response? I would suggest you read it again, with more attention to detail. He never actually explicitly said that he apologized to Lexi Tronic. AND he mentions that he WILL NOT apologize for posting Lexi's birthname on his facebook. If you read Lexi's remarks about what happened, Danny initally refused to take down his post when asked by Lexi. Danny only makes a very general apology to people who felt offended, but then he goes on about how he was justified in using Lexi's birthname because he knew Lexi from before, etc. What is the point of apologizing for offending people, generally, if you aren't going to apologize for the act itself. If you really think that Danny was not defensive, then you need to take your 'friend glasses' off and take another look at what's happening. Everyone makes mistakes... but people need to be accountable to what they do, especially when their actions can be harmful and they are editors of a media publication.
Ed, Montreal Quebec
12/21/11 6:27 PM EST
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