Stephen Boissoin on free speech, porn and his anti-gay letter
VERBATIM / Xtra chats with the former pastor who was recently cleared of hate speech
Jenn Ruddy / National / Wednesday, December 09, 2009
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Stephen Boissoin
It's been seven years since Stephen Boissoin wrote a letter to the Red Deer Advocate titled "Homosexual Agenda Wicked." The letter, which accused "homosexual educators" of brainwashing children, was deemed hate speech by the Alberta Human Rights Commission (AHRC) after University of Calgary professor Darren Lund filed a complaint. Boissoin, a former pastor, was ordered to pay $5,000 in damages and was banned from making "disparaging remarks" about gays.

But on Dec 3, Alberta's Court of Queen's Bench overturned the AHRC ruling. In his decision, Justice Earl Wilson wrote that Boissoin's views may be "jarring, offensive, bewildering, puerile, nonsensical and insulting," but that the letter isn't hate speech. Many are calling Justice Wilson's ruling a victory for freedom of expression. (Read the entire ruling here - PDF)

In editorials, Xtra has also defended Boissoin's right to free speech, arguing that although Boissoin's views are appalling, censorship does not solve the problem of homophobia.

In the spirit of free speech and the free exchange of ideas, Xtra wanted to find out what Boissoin thinks about hate-speech laws and censorship, so we called him up and asked him.


Xtra: The Court of Queen's Bench recently overturned a ruling by an Alberta human rights panel and ruled that a letter you wrote to the Red Deer Advocate about homosexuality in 2002 is not a hate crime. What are your views on free speech?


Boissoin: Obviously, I believe that free speech is a fundamental right for all Canadians — all human beings, actually — and I believe when it involves controversial, socio, moral or political issues, we especially need the right to be able to air our opinions, even if those opinions offend other people. In my case, I believe that my opinion was valid, was warranted. I believe it's actually more true today than it was in 2002 when I wrote it. I believe that it needs to be understood in my context and there should have been further dialogue about it without frivolous and malicious government involvement, which, of course, is attributed to Darren Lund's desire to control speech and turn it into his version of freedom of speech, which has limits that have been proven throughout time to be detrimental to freedom as well as freedom of speech.


Xtra: Why do you think your letter — and, more generally, statements that some people find offensive — should be tolerated and legally permissible?


Boissoin: Well, that's two separate questions. I mean, if we don't permit offence and freedom of speech, then whose speech is permissible? I'm asking you that question back. What type of speech do we have? Who gets to determine — what is the evolutionary process of freedom of speech, then? Are we allowed to debate social moral issues?

I spent 45 minutes speaking to a gay man yesterday named Aaron — fantastic guy. We had a great conversation. Both of us understood that the one significant factor is still being debated by scientists and that is, is a person born gay? Is there a genetic link to homosexuality? These things have not even been settled in the scientific community. Yet, politically, people like me are forced to — or there was an attempt to force me to not have an opinion.

There's these buzz words — these manipulative labels — that we instantly put on people like me, such as hate-monger, bigot, to try to disarm me, to humiliate me. It doesn't work. I'm a big boy, and I've been around a little bit, but that's the attempt, and a lot of people buy into that — "yeah, he has this opinion, he must be a bigot, a hate-monger," etc, etc. So, again, back to your question, you would have to discard half of the books — or, I don't know what the percentage would be — in every public library if you held to the standard that Lund wants held. How would you ever have Mein Kampf in a library? Now, I can email you numerous quotes by homosexuals that say that they did not feel that my letter propagated hatred or discrimination for any homosexual individual.


Xtra: Section 3 of the Alberta law prohibits the publication of materials that "is likely to expose a person or a class of persons to hatred or contempt." Some of your supporters said after the Court of Queen's Bench ruling that it didn't go far enough because this law still exists. Do you agree with them?

Boissoin: Yes, I believe that the legislation needs to be struck down. I mean, let's look at what occurred in my case. Anybody can file a human rights complaint against anybody for hurt feelings. And somebody at the human rights end who is not an expert in constitutional law can then bring this person before a panel, and what was my choice back then? Was I to show up alone without representation when the decision that can be made at the panel level can be legally binding? Of course I was going to bring a lawyer to something so important as an attack against my fundamental right to freedom of speech and freedom of religious expression. Human rights commissions — having the power that they have in section 3 is very, very dangerous, and I certainly hope the government in the future will strike it down or remove those powers from the commission. I think there are certain things that the commission can undertake in housing and employment, etc, which they were mandated to do from the onset, but crossing over into policing thought is a very, very dangerous thing.


Xtra: In response to the ruling, you've said in the media that this is a "victory for freedom of speech and religious expression in Canada." Do you support free speech and freedom of expression for all citizens?


Boissoin: Absolutely. Without a doubt, I believe that those that oppose my opinion can air their beliefs — they do — and I believe that all people should have equal rights in that area. And sometimes speech is going to offend me. I have a right to rebut it if it's publicly aired, and on we go.


Xtra: I'm not sure if you're familiar with this as well, but there have been incidents of border guards flagging gay films as obscene at the Canadian border. I'm wondering, what do you think about the censorship of gay films and gay porn at the Canadian border?


Boissoin: I guess I'll say personally what I believe. I believe that we do not live in a theocratic society, meaning that I do not believe that my religious views should be forced on anybody. I personally believe that homosexual pornography is gross perversion and whether it's men with men, women with women — I absolutely believe it's disgusting. Whether someone has the right to view it or not, as much as I hate to stomach the thought of it, I think that if there's going to be equal rights, then there needs to be equal rights all the way around. In other words, if there's going to be heterosexual porn permitted, then obviously homosexual porn must be permitted. If I had it my way, no porn would be permitted.




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Reader Comments


 
Some free speech warrior Boison is...
Mr. Boisson clearly believes he has a right to be offensive, and that has a right defame an entire segment of our society - and yet - he tells us that his personal revulsion of porn (straight and gay) ought to be imposed on all. Some free speech warrior he has turned out to be. Seems the only speech he is interested in defending is that with which he agrees.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/10/09 12:31 PM EST
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You forgot so many questions!
Boissoin said in his bombastic 2002 letter that heterosexuals should take any action "they deem necessary" to stop "the homosexual machine." Any action they deemed necessary could mean violence. Thus it was a call to "arms" that could include attacking and killing people Boissoin deemed on par with pedophiles, etc. It was hate speech and I hope that through appeals (not mentioned in your piece) that the recent ruling will be overturned. Why didn't the interviewer ask Boissoin if teachers should be allowed the freedom to teach children in Alberta schools that gay people are alright and deserving of dignity and equality under the law just like any one else in society? That equal rights for all citizens including gay marriage is fair? Now he's in favour of free speech? Hardly. Boissoin's original letter was designed to attack any attempt to preach openness, equality and dignity for LGBT people in schools. Hate speech, if left unchallenged, festers and promotes hateful attitudes by the majority against the minority. We've seen the impact of hate speech in other times and societies and how easy it is to turn the majority against minorities, with dire, violent and dreadful consequences. I don't want to live in a country where people can openly preach violence against me and I have no recourse against it! It's a shame that Xtra doesn't agree!
Matt Guerin, Toronto Ontario
12/10/09 5:26 PM EST
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Mr. Boombastic
Matt, your melodramatics never cease to amaze me. At least you're consistent. I can undertand why many homosexuals would hate my letter but to insinuate that it intended to incite or encourage violence is outright stupid. No intent to be rude at all. I really mean that. It's just stupid. My phone number and email info has been available on my site for years. I have received thousands of emails and the vast majority read my letter as religious and politically motivated. A war of ideologies was declared. The calls and emails that I receive are from those who call themself gay as well. But hey, you're entitled to your opinion which was the entire point of my battle. When the actions of the homosexual lobby become unbiased and inclusive of opposing opinion, then guys like me will ease up. I appreciate Jenn's journalistic integrity. She sticks to the facts and leaves it there. Blessings, Stephen Boissoin
Stephen, Red Deer Ab
12/10/09 6:37 PM EST
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Open to Dialogue
Well Matt....ask Xtra if you can interview me along your line of thinking. I am an open book and maybe we need to spend less time hate'n and more time trying to understand our 'very different' positions or at least how we can live in peace inspite of them. We obviously have no other option. By the way, I would have done the same with Lund had he not slandered me right off the bat for his own political agenda. He asked for a legal battle and he got what he asked for and lost due to having no legal basis from the get go. Before God, I would defend an innocent human being with my life, regardless of their sexual orientation. You got my number. Cheers!!! Steve
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer Ab
12/10/09 6:46 PM EST
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Answer this
Mr. Boisson - I am glad to see you responding to comments posted here. Care to tell us how wanting to ban all pornography (gay and straight) is consistent with being an advocate for free speech? If we must tolerate your offensive vitriol, why should you not tolerate the "offense" of porn? Do you see any inconsistencies in your own views? While you are at it, care to tell us exactly who "the homosexual lobby" is, and why they should accept uninformed and denigrating opinions from people like you? How exactly has the "homosexual lobby" harmed your free speech? Last time I checked, Xtra is a gay positive media outlet - and they defended your right to publish your outrageous letter. Even EGALE defended your right to humiliate yourself in public. You seem very quick to deny tolerance to the queer community while demanding it for yourself. We have a word for that - hypocricy.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/11/09 4:29 PM EST
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?????????
Reread what I said Citizen Gayne. Again, IF pornography is going to exist in a Godless free and democratic society, then hetero and homo porn must both be permitted....BUT....If I was the King of the land, the distribution of pornography, hetero and homo would be illegal. I highly doubt I will be King of any land anytime soon so you can relax. C.G. if you are implying that there aren't any politically motivated gay organizations then you need to get of of the closet more. Your accusations are again misinformed....Egale and Xtra have been great. I have never complained about them but Lund and his cohorts persecuted me hard core for seven long years...The end result was very worth it though. In regards to "why should they accept opinions from me..." ...that's easy...simply because I have the right to voice them regardless as to whether they like them or not. I can comment on any behaviour I wish to. Homosexuality is behaviour so it is open game.
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer Ab
12/11/09 8:35 PM EST
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Sleight of mind from Mr. Boisson
Dear Mr. Boisson, Let me be the first person to state that I am quite "relaxed" that you are not going to be king of the land any time soon. Given your peurile and retrograde views on a number of important issues, I am serenely at ease with this fact. I pray that is always the case. In your interview you were asked what you thought about the censorship of gay films and porn. You tried some clumsy sleight of mind and tried to make the question about equal treatment of gay and straight porn. Regardless of your obfuscation, your position was, and it still apparently is, that you would ban all porn. Fair enough. You and any other citizen are entitled to such a view. My point is that your desire to ban porn is censorship of free expression. That is inconsistent with being an advocate of free speech. Your reasoning skills seem a bit off sir...is that the result of years of religious indoctrination, or is there another cause? You did not answer my question as to who comprises the "homosexual lobby". As far as I know, Mr. Lund is not gay, and he is not associated with any gay rights organization. He acted as a lone citizen and made a legitmate complaint to the AHRC about your outrageous and inexcusable letter. So pray tell, who is the homosexual lobby? Is it all queers, is it the official queer media , offcial queer rights organizations, or is it Mr. Lund and his lawyers, or just some folks in Red Deer you don't like, or is it anyone who thinks you disagrees with you? Kindly answer me Mr. Boisson. Us faggots may be the scum of the earth who plot to rape and recruit your unsuspecting male children, but we would like to understand exactly how you define the "homosexual lobby". You have made some wild accusations about this lobby, so tell us who is in and who is out.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/12/09 12:13 AM EST
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Freedom of Speech
The right to freedom of speech, is (and must be) extended to people who wish to ban pornography. Just because Mr. Boisson wishes to ban pornography, does not mean that his fight for freedom of speech is any less important. The Section is Alberta should have been struck down as unconstitutional. And god-willing the Federal law will soon be struck down in the Lemire case. Biosson is a freedom of speech hero. He didn't ask for this fight, but he never ran away either.\ Bravo to him, and his legal team.
Marc, Toronto Ontario
12/12/09 12:18 AM EST
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PS Mr. Boisson
Homosexuality is not a "behaviour", it is an orientation. Fucking is behaviour. Being attracted to men is an orientation. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/12/09 12:28 AM EST
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NO FREEDOM IS ABSOLUTE
First let me start by saying that as both a gay man and a Christian, Mr. Boussoin' comments are to me deplorable, sickening and revolting. Having said that, freedom of speech is NOT absolute. I do not have the right to say "Zionism is bad, let's kill or hurt Jews.". I cannot say that against any group of people, because it incites violence!! Therefore, Mr. Boussoin cannot go saying people should take "any action necessary" against gay persons. Those comments ALSO incite violence. It's time to take this matter to the Supreme Court, where justices who have a better understanding of the Constitution can rule more fairly than those in Alberta.
Kieran Earles, Mount Pearl Newfoundland
12/12/09 2:29 PM EST
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Interpretation
Again, you miss the obvious, that which Justice Wilson did not miss. My letter, in context, was not inciting violence. Any LEGAL action necessary should be presupposed and is consistent with my other writings, vocal commentary and also my lifestyle. If this goes the the Supreme Court of Canada, I would assume that they will have the same opinion is regards to your claim. You are clearly reading into the letter that which is not there, was never expressed or insinuated. This is exactly why the ruling was reversed. It did not rely on facts. This the FACTS prevailed at the Court of Queens Bench and emotional commentary did not influence Judge Wilson. TRUTH must be a defence.
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/12/09 3:12 PM EST
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Boissoin is not a credible threat to the morals
Modern morals, which are based on the conscience of the individual and applied using the ever important Integrity, have thankfully left rants such as those contained in Boissoin's letter unimportant. Morals such as Equality, Equity, Freedom from Religion and Freedom of love and compassion have brought Canadian and western society many rewards. Only the most pawn-like of people will be influenced by the type of speech contained in his letter. He is preaching to the converted. He only exposes himself for what he is: a man who is afraid of his own attraction to men. He obviously sees this attraction as being part of humans, or why would he so readily assume that people of all ages have it as part of their naturally assigned constitution, ready for recruitment. The best thing to do with people is let them speak. That way they expose themselves for what they really are.
Sean, Vancouver British Columbia
12/12/09 5:38 PM EST
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Laughable
So let me see if I have this straight. My opinion is because I have a secret attraction to men. ahahaha You had me interested in your comments up until you suggested that as a reason for my beliefs. I would hope your own circles rebuke you for such a stupid comment in the midst of a serious discussion.
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer Ab
12/12/09 9:50 PM EST
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Contradicitons
There must be some simple reason for your contradictions Stephen. In order for you to believe that it is reasonable for the Evil gay machine to be capable of recruiting young people is if humans are born with the natural capability to love each other regardless of gender. And you state, "Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities." These activists you are referring to are using modern morals like Equality, Equity, Freedom from Religion and Freedom of love to make the world a better place. To compare them to pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps is not just ridiculous it is stupid. Now that you have defended your freedom of speech, are you smart enough to realize just how stupid you were being when you wrote comments like that?
Sean, Vancouver BC
12/12/09 10:35 PM EST
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What is Hate Propaganda?
Let us remind some of the readers about how hate propaganda could be defined. A church may say, "Gay sex is a sin." Hmmmm. Perhaps not hate. But you decide. A racial supremacist says, "Those that accept the N*gg*r as an equal will be treated as an equal to the N*gg*r." Hmmm. Perhaps this statement is a candidate. Now let's replace the N-word with Fag. Does it still apply? You decide. The Nazi's promoted signs saying, "Germans, defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda." Was this freedom of speech, or inciting hatred? Maybe they were just doing what Mr. Boissoin feels the need to do ... Defend the correct way of life against the dirty, immoral, disease spreading, Godless Queers ... I mean Jews. You decide. Mr. Boissoin writes, "Don't allow yourself to be deceived any longer. These activists are not morally upright citizens, concerned about the best interests of our society. They are perverse, self-centered and morally deprived individuals who are spreading their psychological disease into every area of our lives. Homosexual rights activists and those that defend them, are just as immoral as the pedophiles, drug dealers and pimps that plague our communities." Let's turn our attention for a moment to another statement... "This Bill aims at strengthening the nation's capacity to deal with emerging internal and external threats to the traditional family further recognizes the fact that same sex attraction is not an innate and immutable characteristic, it is also needed to protect the children and youths who are made vulnerable to sexual abuse and deviation as a result of cultural changes, uncensored information technologies, parentless child developmental settings and increasing attempts by homosexuals to raise children in homosexual relationships through adoption, foster care, or otherwise". This last passage is the Ugandan's government's justification
Sean, Vancouver BC
12/12/09 11:58 PM EST
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Continued
This last passage is the Ugandan's government's justification for supporting a bill that will put homosexuals and their friends to death or, if they oare extremely lucky, prison. Hate-religion-fueled-witch hunt-panic-propaganda? Or justified and reasoned approach to managing the spread of a terrible disease that has decemated the culture to the point of desperate measures? You decide?
Sean, Vancouver BC
12/13/09 12:07 AM EST
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Your silence is deafening Mr. Boisson
I am still waiting for your response. So far, your position down to: "Free speech for me, but not for thee."
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/13/09 6:45 AM EST
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Striking Down Hate Speech Was Right Thing To Do
Citizen Lame...I had to spend some time with the family. I will comment in more detail tomorrow but for now an interesting article by Duane Booth of the Gay Life Journal........ "In no part of the letter did Boissoin suggest or advocate any act of violence or persecution be inflicted upon gays. He made an argument based on long-standing religious teachings that are certainly bogus and wrongheaded, in my humble opinion, but he has every right to express."....... http://aboutmag.com/v2/?p=1705
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/13/09 11:32 PM EST
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You contradict yourself Mr. Boisson...
So let me get this straight - you whine and complain about some vague homosexual machine or some vague homosexual lobby that is out to silence your right to free expression. You, however, are unable to offer any definiftion of who or what comprises this lobby. You freely admit free speech has been supported by a number of official gay organizations and individuals. Simulataneously, you proclaim absolute support for all forms of expression, yet in your interview and your remarks here, you repeatedly state you would ban some forms of expression that you find personally offensive. As long as you fail to reconcile these contradictions, all future media coverage should treat you as a free speech fraud. You cannot suck and blow at the same time sir! Indeed, your position is simply summed up as "Free speech for me, but not for thee." Notwithstanding the puerile content of your public utterances, your principles are muddled and nonsensical.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/14/09 9:23 AM EST
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Superstition
The simple truth of the matter is that fear mongering rants, such as those contained in Boissoin's infamous letter, are fueled by organized superstition of the supernatural (aka religion). These people have time and time again become frustrated with the public unwillingness to accept their attempts at gaining control of the way people think and act. It is ego that drives religious fundamentalists. And the last ditch desperate attempts to win the argument is always bringing up a threat to children. We have seen it time and time again. Some religious group gets desperate and uses NAMBLA, the most shunned organization in the gay community, as justification for a call to arms.
Sean, Vancouver BC
12/14/09 11:43 AM EST
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Well Mr. Boisson...tomorrow has come and gone
Mr Boisson - you have asserted your right to free speech - now why don't you use it to clear up your contradictions?
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 10:34 AM EST
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The drama..I guess that should be expected.
Citizen Lame, I don't feel that same urgency that your demanding posts denote. I reply when and how I feel like it regardless of your opinion. There is no contradiction. I believe that regardless of a law that prohibits certain behaviour, one should still have the right to voice their opinion about it. In regards to the legalization of porn it is my personal opinion that both homosexual and heterosexual porn should be considered equal. In regards to the law that I would impose if I were the King of the land. All porn would be illegal and everyone could comment about the pro's and con's of such a law freely. PS...I am in the market for a new pair of glasses. I am way overdue. Considering your enhanced sense of style, what do you think of the new look with the solid black frames???? Please tell. Cheers!! Stephen Boissoin
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/16/09 12:51 PM EST
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Question for Stephen
As a mostly retired "gay activist" I have read your letter, all of this coverage and I would have to say, there is no such thing as a little free speech. You either have free speech or you don't. I absolutely believe your letter calls for violent action to be taken against homosexuals but you don't actually go that far. "Any means necessary" will cover that for whatever nut job wishes to take it that way, but you don't actually say it. What you do say in your on line comments strikes an interesting chord. "I think that if there's going to be equal rights, then there needs to be equal rights all the way around. In other words, if there's going to be heterosexual porn permitted, then obviously homosexual porn must be permitted." Would you then not fully agree with me that the same is true if you substitute the word "porn" with the word "marriage"? As to your question about glasses, go with the black frames. They will probably pinch your nose and you should know if your nose and your anus are both pinched shut sneezing could cause you to explode. I am not advocating that you should explode but it would be an excellent outcome. Just my opinion. To those of you who want to shut this creature up remember, you can't have any kind of freedom if you have no oppression. These people and the hate they spew are absolutely necessary. Civilized people don't agree with killing gays. People who make these thinly veiled suggestions are not new but have been a fundamental boon to those of us who wanted a better equal world for all. Thanks for the help Stephen, keep talking. Peter Bochove
Peter Bochove, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 2:42 PM EST
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None are so blind as those who refuse to see...
That you see no contradictions in your statements is no surprise to me Mr. Boisson. I doubt that new eyeglasses, no matter how stylish they may be, will cure that (or the many other misconceptions you have). You appear to have little regard for accuracy. In fact, you let this story get published originally without ever pointing out to Xtra's editors that you are no longer a Reverend. They have since corrected the story at my request. You claim that your vile letter originally reflected your religious beliefs, yet your own denomination (Evangelical Christian Church of Canada) repudiates your writings. In short, you are as incapable of honestly recognizing your conflicted views on free speech and expression, as you are incapable of defending your paranoid ramblings about a homosexual lobby. To top it off, you seem incapable of making a proper distinction between behaviour (fucking) and orientation (homosexuality). I will end my correspondence with you here - unless you muster up the ability to present a logical and cogent argument. Perhaps Ezra Levant can give you some pointers.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 2:58 PM EST
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What is this 'Gay Agenda'
It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called After the Ball, where a six point plan was laid out for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame.... They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit: Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible(...) Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers(...) Give homosexual protectors a just cause(...) Make gays look good(...) Make the victimizers look bad(...) Get funds from corporate America(...)[1] After the Ball[15] is a book published in 1989 by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. It argues that after the gay liberation phase of the 1970s and 1980s, gay rights groups should adopt more professional public relations techniques to convey their message. It was published by Doubleday and was generally available. According to a Christian Broadcasting Network article by Paul Strand, Sears and Osten argue that After the Ball follows from "a 1988 summit of gay leaders in Warrenton, Virginia, who came together to agree on the agenda" and that "the two men (Kirk and Madsen) proposed using tactics on 'straight' America that are remarkably similar to the brainwashing methods of Mao Tse-Tung's Communist Chinese -- mixed with Madison Avenue's most persuasive selling techniques." The article goes on to claim that films such as Brokeback Mountain are part of this "well-planned propaganda campaign". Adopted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_agenda I would agree with this. To me, the Homosexual Agenda is a system of beliefs and actions that aim to present homosexuality as a genetically predetermined behaviour or orientation that is normal...witho
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/16/09 3:39 PM EST
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Waaaaaa
Oh brother, what frivolous crap.... The ECCC, formerly CECC and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things. Who cares? Certainly not me.... It is obvious that your frustration prevents you from sticking to the topic....I wasn't called a Reverend or Pastor during the interview with XTRA and the reporter contacted me..I did not contact her. She called me Stephen and I loved the way she said it actually.....Most reputable media is getting it right but I guess you've missed that Bene. Bottom line. In the end, I don't care what you think or what anyone else thinks for that matter. My first priority is to manage my own walk with God and in doing so, not get duped by the wretched homosexual agenda. However one defines it. My concluding comments are.....1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. ....I must keep that scripture dear to me just like all others should...... Acts 2:38 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins...".....Ps, Ezra needs Jesus too......wish to communicate in a respectful way....feel free to email me at sboissoin@gmail.com.
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/16/09 4:03 PM EST
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Have you actually read, After the Ball?
"After the Ball" is a 20 year old book that is out of print. The Christian right in the USA loves to refer to this old chestnut as evidence of an evil gay agenda. What nonsense. What LGBT advocacy groups in Canada actually use this as a model for engagement? I am aware of none. How is this even related to your AHRC case? Mr. Lund is not to my knowledge associated with any LGBT advocacy group. EGALE is Canada's preeminent LGBT rights organization and they actually supported your free speech rights. Xtra is Canada's preeminent LGBT publication and they supported your right to free speech. Where Mr. Boisson is this evil cabal located - except perhaps in the paranoid imaginings of the religious right? So what if some activists in the USA 20 years ago proposed a plan to fight for equality in the public square? It certainly would be naive to think that activists (of all persuasions) do not employ strategies. You yourself worked for Mr. Chandler's Concerned Christian Coalition at the time that you penned your viscious missive to the Red Deer Advocate. Did the CCC not have any stratgies to promote its bigotry? Lastly - you are hardly in a position to lecture me, or anyone else, on communicating in a respectful way. Your childish references to "Citizen Lame" are not a model for respect. When you baselessly equate me, and hundred's of thousands of other queers as being on par with drug dealers and pimps, you are neither respectful nor truthful. Please darling...keep talking. Your own words condemn you far more eloquently than anything I can type.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 5:20 PM EST
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Thank Jesus-ah
Ah yes. Thanks be to the god and all her followers. It was bound to happen. Jewish/Christian scripture was bound to pop up eventually from this guy. Right after claiming that what he wishes to have "a serious discussion", he uses quotes from a text based on superstition to justify his hatred and the 'war' (his word, not mine) against Queers. Bible quotes from this kind of person usually contain something along the lines of, "blah blah blah HATE, blah blah blah FEAR, blah blah blah PUNISH." And true to form he has delivered. I wonder what other laughable justifications for hatred and repression will come out of his mouth.
Sean, Vancouver BC
12/16/09 5:52 PM EST
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Hmmmmm
Citizen Lame, you were already on the offensive, thus the inference to 'lame.' But Citizen Gayne on its own...come on...that is lame...to me anyways. Plus, inspite of all the haters on your side of the fence, I still use my given name like a big boy.....Also, the controversial correlation that you refer to was inferring that the very biased and unforgiving 'gay agenda' when propagated to children and youth is JUST AS IMMORAL AS... Look at the very real battle that I just faced for speaking out against that agenda. All the best. Cheers!!
Stephen Boissoin, Red Deer AB
12/16/09 5:59 PM EST
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Hater is as Hater do
This guy has the nerve to call others 'haters' after writing and defending that hateful call-to-arms scrible contained in his original letter. His bigotry, duplicity and religion fueled incitement of hatred towards sexual and gender queer Canadians may be all he has to offer after the spotlight's brief pause over him has passed. Let us pray for his pitiful soul.
Sean, Vancouver British Columbia
12/16/09 7:12 PM EST
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a gay "Protocol"?
How exciting! I didn't know there was a gay equivalent to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for use by anti-gay bigots, thanks Stephen! I do believe Stephen's letter was inciting violence however I do support freedom of speech in this instance since such writings do more to help LGBT folk by exposing how out of touch with basic human decency such anti-gay activists like him are, his writings like his thoughts and beliefs are revolting and by exposing them to the public only serves to increase sympathy for his targets. I would not support free speech like this in the context of a school, a workplace, or a housing development like a condo or apartment building, basically anywhere that poisons the environment for LGBT folk to live their lives free from intimidation and harassment so they can pursue their education and earn a living and feel comfortable in their own homes. These instances are very different than a newspaper or magazine since they are a micro environment where its usually a small group of bigots attacking one or two LGBT individuals where they live and work and not a public forum. I think some anti-gay activists get confused and see same sex orientation as some abstract concept to be debated instead of real people with a differing sexual orientation that cannot be changed unlike religion. Religion is the one protected class that can be truly said to have special rights since it is the only one that can be changed at will by its members, its very easy to change your religion or to drop religion from your life altogether but its impossible to change your sexual orientation or your skin colour or your ethnicity even though you can act as if you were of a different orientation, wear make up to disguise your skin colour or simply deny your ethnicity and while it is true that you can change your sex it is not an easy process by any means and takes many years and great effort unlike changing your religion which takes little to no effort to change.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 10:29 PM EST
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an agenda for truth
I'll never understand why anti-gay activists think they know more about being LGBT than LGBT folk do. I suspect that some if not most really are closet cases struggling with their inner same sex attractions, they insist that being gay is a choice, how would they know unless they've struggled with gay feelings that they've chosen to suppress to live in hetero relationships, or perhaps they're bisexuals who won't allow expression of their same sex attractions while choosing to only accept their hetero side, whatever the case they seem to be confusing sexual orientation which cannot be changed with sexual behaviour which can be, there are many gay men who have married women and produced children to prove that it is possible to change your behaviour so it diiers from your orientation much like those "ex-gay" success stories except that they start their lives in denial of their orientation while the "ex-gays" don't deny their orientation until later in their lives, I've known many gay men who have been married to women and had children but found living the lie to be taking too large a toll on themselves so they came out of the closet to live their lives honestly and found great relief in doing so. If there is a god would they not want their creations to live their lives honestly? I think they would, I think they'd find it an abomination to live your life as if you were something you're not. I agree with Stephen to a point on the gay agenda when he says its "a system of beliefs and actions that aim to present homosexuality as a genetically predetermined behaviour or orientation that is normal". I don't believe that any behaviour is genetically predetermined but orientation most definitely is, its possible its hormonal as opposed to genetic, I don't think its been proved one way or another, but regardless its predetermined, we have no control over our orientation whether its hetero, homo, or a bit of both, we only control whether we are honest
Rich, Toronto Ontario
12/16/09 11:09 PM EST
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The Jesus Concept
Not sure if I agree with the thought of it being 'easy' to change one's religion. Many people are raised in a heavily religious environment that instills a deep sense of spirituality wherein the person feels attached to symbols, words and identity. Just ask any member of the BGILTTT3QQ community who was raised Catholic, how many years it takes to shed certain aspects of that religion. And yes, many of us have experience with people who take their fear of their attraction to the same-sex, and use that fear to fuel actions that are hateful, hurtful and harmful to Queers. Bottom line: this guy is using his religion and his fear to target a minority that has historically been at risk from people in positions such as his. He could always take all this energy he has against Queers and focus it towards actual drug dealers and pimps. But apparently people who want to love those of the same-gender are more threatening and deserving of his attention than drug dealers and pimps. Dost he protest too much? Me thinks yes. Love is never a bad thing. Hate always is. I think that is a concept promoted by Jesus of Nazareth. But what was I thinking? Christianity has nothing to do with him. Silly me.
Sean, Vancouver British Columbia
12/17/09 11:02 AM EST
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Duelling scripture...now there's a waste of time
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. Proverbs 26:11
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/17/09 12:55 PM EST
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WOW GET READY. THIS IS HOW IT STARTS.
Don't play into Mr Boissoin's political agenda. Notice how he has cleverly deflected the questions away from the content of the letter--in which he "declares war" on homosexuals--to an argument about free speech. This is all characteristic of the new post-Obama strategy currently being developed by the extreme Right. Having realized that they no longer have the power to impose oppression by law, they are now turning to a rebranding strategy, portraying themselves as censored minorities who ought to be exempt from the law on the grounds of religious freedom or freedom of speech. We will see many of these cases in the next couple years. Other notable current examples are: (1) the Saskatchewan case about whether forcing civil marriage commissioners to conduct same-sex weddings violates their religious freedom; (2) the recent Alberta human rights code amendment that protects sexual orientation from discrimination while protecting the rights of parents to prevent their kids from learning about it in school; (3) the (Alberta/Saskatchewan-based) Bill Whatcott internet flyer including song lyrics about death to "sodomites" which specifically includes instructions about how to take him to court, released the week before the Conservative Party approved a resolution to decriminalize internet hate speech; (4) the Aryan Guard's pride rallies for "white civil rights" in Calgary. Notice a trend here? Those of you in the big cities better wake up to what's going on in the Prairies before it's too late. These groups are growing fast and they're specifically recruiting people who believe in free speech. Hate speech laws were deliberately designed to prevent hate groups from twisting the meaning of free expression. THESE LAWS DO PERMIT FREE SPEECH but they draw the line at using this freedom to inflict harm. As it is, they don't go far enough--they focus only on the physical violence and leave lots of room for s
not safe to say, somewhere saskatchewan
12/17/09 7:43 PM EST
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@ not safe to say
I agree that the anti-gay bigots are attempting to reframe their arguments in terms of free expression for religious views. From a communications point of view, it is a smart move. While I am all for the free expression of religious views, there are necessary limits to such speech. This right is not, and cannot be, absolute. Having said that, we must be careful not to provide them with amunition by trying to censor every bit of speech that we find objectionable. I am afraid that the AHRC overplayed their hand in Mr. Boisson's case. I acknowledge that almost any heinous view can be defended as the tenant of some religious sect...for example: some religious tenants call for the subjugation of women; the eradication of non-conforming theologies; or, the inherent superiority of one race over another. In my opinion, our response must be threefold: a) Enforce an appropriate threshhold for hate speech; b) Challenge the content of their speech (which frequently resorts to to misusing legitimate research, or using discredited researchers such as Paul Cameron et al); c) Insist that the only acceptable basis for a public policy discussion be secular. Religious viewpoints are hopelessly conflicted. Since religious believers cannot even establish the existence of their dieties, we would be foolish to enshrine any of their beliefs in public policy, unless and until, a sound secular basis for such beliefs can be established. Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. All people of goodwill (religious and secular) must band together to neutralize the propaganda of the religious zealots, and the purveyors of bigotry and hate.
Citizen Gayne, Toronto Ontario
12/18/09 10:50 AM EST
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