Rights museum head on the hot seat
MUSEUM / Stuart Murray sits down with Xtra.ca
Kaj Hasselriis / National / Friday, September 25, 2009
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LONG-TIME TORY. Stuart Murray and Conservative cabinet minister Vic Toews, in a Jun 2005 photo. When Toews was the federal justice critic, he led the party's fight against same-sex marriage.
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A week after his political appointment caused many gays and lesbians to cringe, the new CEO of the Canadian Museum for Human Rights isn't showing any signs of atonement.

"I'm reluctant to keep driving back to the past," said Stuart Murray, from the museum's temporary office space in downtown Winnipeg.

But Murray's past is exactly what gay and lesbian critics want him to discuss. Before Stephen Harper put him in charge of Canada's federally-funded human rights museum, set to open in 2012, Murray was leader of Manitoba's Progressive Conservative Party.

As leader, he and his caucus voted against same-sex adoption rights.

Why did he oppose the NDP government's legislation? Would he vote the same way today? Does he have any regrets? Has he learned any lessons? Is he sorry? Even after inviting Xtra.ca over for a chat, Murray's still not answering any of those questions.

"You're asking me to look in the rear-view mirror," said Murray. "Going back in time is just not possible."

In 2002, under pressure from gay and lesbian activists, Manitoba's NDP government introduced a bill giving same-sex couples the right to adopt.

Originally, Murray said his party supported the idea. At the time, he told the Winnipeg Free Press, "For one gay person to be able to adopt (as a single person) — it just seems that the next logical opportunity is to expand that and to allow same-sex couples. Loving parents, I believe, raise good children ... you can't convince me that one person can love better than another person."

A few months later, Murray said he would allow a free vote on the issue. "I'm quite comfortable in our caucus if they want to have a free vote," he told the Free Press. "When you get to issues that have a moral sort of background to them, it's important that we're sensitive."

Finally, when the NDP's legislation came to a vote, Murray and the rest of his caucus stood against it. That day, he said, "Although I said as an individual I support same-sex adoption, there are a number of Manitobans who have a different opinion. The majority of people who I spoke to were not in favour of this and I felt we needed to stand up for them."

This week, Murray told Xtra.ca that his personal view on adoption rights hasn't changed. "I don't think that heterosexual people have a monopoly on love for children," he said. "It is the inherent right of the child to be loved, and if they're loved by two men, two women, a man and a woman, a single man, or a single woman, the issue should be love for the child."

But he's reluctant to talk about his party's vote on the issue, except to say this: "As we were getting ready for that vote, I became very aware that there were going to be serious issues if I took the stand I believed in."

The Canadian Museum for Human Rights hasn't made any formal announcements about its content, causing many gay rights leaders — including Helen Kennedy of Egale Canada — to fear that queer history might be overlooked.

Murray insists we're in. But considering his flip-flop in 2002, why should we believe him?

"I think there's a danger in trying to equate party politics with what's going to happen in the Canadian Museum for Human Rights," he said.

According to Murray, the museum is a team project, with many managers and curators deciding what gets included. But he also admits that, as CEO, the buck stops with him.

What if Murray wants queer content, but the majority of his employees don't?

"Clearly there's no place for hatred," he said, "but there has to be room for controversy, for different pieces of opinions."

Throughout the interview, Murray said that he's committed to meeting with queer community members early — and often.

"What I'm saying very forcefully is, 'Let's work together.' Relationships are two-way things. I'll do everything I possibly can and I expect the community, rather than just sit with its arms folded, to say, let's give each other a hug."

The interview ended with a handshake, and an invitation from Murray. "Let's meet again."



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Gay History and Museum of Human Rights
I know for a fact that there is going to be some involvement with the Museum of Human Rights regarding gay issues. I also know that stories involving gays and children are included in the museum to some degree. There has been a precedent setting, media banned case in Calgary which involes a human rights issue, discrimination and the Family Law Act. This case will be shared with the museum and is all about gay individuals having children regardless of what this director has voted against in the past. Modern families which include gay people as parents is going to be included in the museum. I know because I've been asked to share my story. I've also asked a lesbian artist from Manitoba to create a piece of artwork for us to donate to the museum. The artwork will be donated in commemoration of our precedent setting case in Canada which overcame great obstacles over a 4 year period against all odds. He may not have a proven track record that we are proud of but at some point everyone must change because WE ARE FAMILY, like it or not! We need more stories like this to renew gay pride....this is just the beginning. Here's to Hope, Never forget or doubt it as my ex used to say to me. It is strange how things happen for the better.
Papa, calgary ab
09/25/09 5:14 PM EST
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On Second Thought...
I'm the reporter who interviewed Stuart Murray for this article, and I can't stop thinking about our chat. I'm actually not worried about whether his employees might resist including gay rights issues in the museum, I'm concerned about the museum's donors. The Canadian Museum for Human Rights, though largely funded by the federal government, is also dependent on $150 million in private donations. Will this private money come with strings attached? And if those strings include resistance to issues of sexuality, does Stuart Murray have what it takes to stand up for the LGBT community? As Manitoba PC leader for six years, Murray tried to put the "progressive" back into Progressive Conservative, but when the going got tough with a rural, right-wing caucus, he caved. I hope he has since learned to stand up for his beliefs and defend the rights of minority groups, but his failure to express that during our interview concerns me. Xtra.ca readers should rest assured that, as Tories go, Stuart Murray is no Stephen Harper. I have no doubt he's sincere when he says he wants to meet with members of the LGBT community, and learn more about our issues and concerns. I just hope, if he gets any guff from narrow-minded museum donors, he shows more backbone than he did in the debate over same-sex adoption.
Kaj Hasselriis, Winnipeg Manitoba
09/26/09 6:20 PM EST
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Why can't he say I'm sorry?
What has been reported so far gives no comfort or certainty that Stuart Murray recognizes that what he did is wrong and hurtful to a minority that continues to be vilified. He has taken a public stand in opposition to equal rights towards sexual minorities. He willingly compromised his personal beliefs for political reasons. His inability to say he is sorry is deeply concerning. Stewart Murray has a public record of opposing human rights while a member of the legislature and leader of the official opposition. This alone should disqualify him from leadership of a human rights organization. That Stewart Murray has been unable to articulate regret multiplies the concern.
Vern Wern, Dugald Manitoba
09/27/09 7:38 PM EST
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Defend All Human Rights
I would like to support the Canadian Museum of Human Rights because we need a museum that shows the reasons we need to defend all minorities. However, before I could give any support to this museum, I want to be sure that all groups are represented, not just those who may fit in with a social conservative view of what is politically correct. By the way, we do have a very good Canadian Archives for the LGBT community, the Canadian Lesbian and Gay Archives in Toronto-- and I am proud to give support to that archives, especially as it opens its new quarters.
Wayne Madden, Edmonton Alberta
09/27/09 9:10 PM EST
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Human Rights Museum
I went to the round-table discussion here in Nova Scotia to discuss where in the Museum the plight of injured workers would hopefully be. I came home and reflected on what I heard and learned that the ASPER family, Sifton Family(Foundations) donated big money and I also learned that CUPE also put in a large donation. So, I have decided that this museum is not about telling the truth..but just another place to bury it. I have a blogsite where you can see the things I speak about www.waynecoady.blogspot.com and my friend in BC also has a site www.humanrightsforinjuredworkers.blogspot.com I hope you take a look at both site and I also put my written submissin up on this site for all to view. http://canadianhumanrightsmuseum.blogspot.com/ We all must stand against this Museum ..because it will not tell the truth..those who put big money in will control what goes in there. Regards Wayne Coady Injured and Abused Workers Coalition 902-434-9306
Wayne Coady, Cole Harbour Nova scotia
09/30/09 3:16 PM EST
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