Pride Toronto plans to censor the term 'Queers Against Israeli Apartheid'
NEWS / Festival organizers 'will not allow participation with this message': documents
Marcus McCann / National / Thursday, May 13, 2010
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Pride Toronto executive director Tracey Sandilands
(Jenna Wakani photo)
Pride Toronto has no intention of letting anyone march in the parade under a banner “Queers Against Israeli Apartheid.” That, at least, is what the festival’s organizers have been telling city officials, according to documents released by the city.

The documents, obtained through the city’s access to information laws, paint the clearest picture yet of Pride Toronto (PT) handwringing over the pro-Palestinian group.

They show PT vowed to city staff that they will keep slogans criticizing Israel out of the parade.

From letters dating back to the fall, it appears that the only stumbling block to an outright ban is that the group that calls itself Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) isn’t incorporated — and therefore is not a legal entity. No legal action can be taken against them as a group, the documents say.

Instead, Pride Toronto told the city it plans to weed out QuAIA's messages during the application phase or on the day of the parade.

A letter dated April 14 from the office of Rita Davies, the city’s executive director of culture, summarized a discussion with PT executive director Tracey Sandilands and co-chairs Jim Cullen and Genevieve D’Iorio. The letter is addressed to the city manager, gaybourhood councillor Kyle Rae and others.

“A review will be made as to whether they can ban a group on the basis of being called ‘Queers Against Israeli Apartheid.’ If that is the registered name of the group this would prove difficult. If not, it is ‘messaging’ and can be covered under the need to abide by the City’s anti-discrimination policies.”

A similar summary was produced by another city official, Lori Martin.

“Further to our discussion with you and Pride’s co-chairs yesterday, our understanding is, given that this is not a registered name, Pride will not allow participation with this ‘message.’”

A briefing note from Davies’s office
dating back to November, 2009, shows that plans were in the works long before the sign vetting policy was announced in March.

“In response to city staff’s continuing concerns, Pride Toronto has confirmed that it is working with a consultant and has been receiving legal advice on how to curtail the anti-Israel marchers in next year’s Pride parade.”

In an interview with Xtra, Davies confirms that the city had “ongoing concerns” about PT’s ability to implement the city’s anti-discrimination policy, and that those concerns stem from a 2009 complaint about QuAIA. But she insists that the city has not taken any position on that group.

“What you’re reading is a summary of, or some interpretation of, something that was said at a meeting,” says Davies.

“When we have a complaint, we review it, and in this case, the complaint had to do with the city’s anti-discrimination policy. So the city manager’s office was involved in those discussions,” she continues. “What we, as staff, were doing, through the city manager’s office, was working with Pride to ask them to show what processes they have to be able to comply with those policies. “

In March, PT announced it would vet all messaging in advance of the parade through an ethics committee. After a loud protest from free-expression advocates, the policy was retracted two weeks later.

At the time, Cullen said that the sign-vetting rules were “not based on any particular word or group.” Also, Sandilands told Xtra that QuAIA wouldn’t be banned from the parade unless its application was found to be objectionable.

Neither Cullen, D’Iorio nor Sandilands responded to our requests for interviews by the time of publication.

But these documents show that Pride has been telling the city one thing and the gay community another, says Elle Flanders, a spokesperson for QuAIA.

“Although we’ve been led to believe, and [Sandilands’] ongoing line is, ‘Well, they haven’t made an application yet,'” says Flanders. “They’re talking out of two sides of their mouth, obviously. On the one hand, they’re telling us they can’t judge us until we make an application, and on the other hand, we have been judged.

Among the documents is an email from Sandilands to senior staff sent shortly after a meeting between PT and city staff, which no one has talked about publicly.

“Well, as expected, as soon as the news broke the left began howling again. This morning on the Facebook group ‘Don’t Sanitize Pride’ there is a call for members to write to the City regarding this issue, so expect to start getting letters soon. I have no doubt we will also be getting them again, as will our sponsors, and we will be mostly ignoring them. This is how they managed to pressurize us into rescinding the Ethics Committee idea, and so will be expecting it to work again” she wrote on April 19.

And that’s disheartening, says Flanders.

“For a long time, I was defending Pride, I was suggesting that Pride is trying to work through a very difficult situation,” she says. “With this information, I can not only say I’m disappointed — it provides us with enough proof that Pride has no interest in community. First, they responded to sponsors. Then they responded to the city and city pressure. It’s no longer a community organization that responds to community needs.”


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Pride Toronto vs. "the left"
It's interesting that Sandilands--who is clearly much more culpable than everyone has been letting on--sees this as a Right/Left issue instead of, say, a right/wrong issue (morally) or a human rights issue (globally). And interesting that she sees "the left", which would be the people who worked for decades to get the rights of gays and lesbians recognized and enshrined here in North America, as the 'howling' 'pressurizing' enemy that demands that Pride Toronto remain political as well as celebratory, progressive as well as inclusive, and accountable to the LGBT community. It's time that Sandilands resigned, that the board was reined in with community oversight and that Revenue Canada stepped in with a nice bracing audit.
David D., Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 4:03 PM EST
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Pride priorities
Reading this, I can't help but be reminded of the Pride ED's twitter comment of March 13... people were of course disturbed that the LGBT community would be censored at this year's Pride festival, and the response was given as... "Lots of misinformation and lies being spread again. Parade terms will be online by end of Mon. After that questions can be asked" Right. Questions can be asked. But only city bureaucrats, anti-queer politicians and corporate sponsors will be given an honest answer. The grassroots LGBT community will be fed the same thing over and over: doublespeak, distortion and outright lies.
Sav., Toronto ON
05/13/10 4:26 PM EST
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Time to Start Fresh
Give Sandilands' and Pride Toronto's complete disregard for the integrity of our community, I believe that it's time for Pride Toronto to be scrapped. Just as Montreal did in the 90s, leading to the founding of Diver/Cite, Toronto needs to start all over with our Pride celebrations. We need to have a Pride that reflects our whole community, not just our sponsors and government. Pride is and has always been a LEFT political event. We need to get back to our radical roots, lose the beer ads, and lose the censorship. ~Morgan
Morgan Page, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 4:27 PM EST
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LIARS = Pride Toronto Inc and ED Tracey Sandilands
One wonders just how many of the PT Inc. board members were complicit in the lying and sneaky censorship effort. For starters, though, SANDILANDS SHOULD RESIGN. Then we need answers from every single member of the board. And, indeed, the community needs to "reclaim Pride" -- perhaps by starting a whole new organization.
Rick, London Ontario
05/13/10 4:39 PM EST
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unbelievable
i can't believe that Pride is being run by such incompetence. Who does Pride think it is working for? I would think much more of it if it were working toward including different voices, worried about clashes of course, but still standing the on principles that Pride stand/stood for as evidenced by its history. When I first started to read this, and I will reread it, I thought that this was old news and that Pride has come to its senses and was working with the community. Now I get the impression that they were playing the community and it was business as usual...Last week we were told to Shut the Fuck Up and this week we were told we were Howling....Well, Howl might be an appropriate thing to do all things considered...homage to Alan Ginsberg and all. r.
roy, Toronto ON
05/13/10 4:41 PM EST
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Middle East Mire
Nice. Middle East politics continues to suck money, resources and time from Pride Toronto. Take your f*cking Politics somewhere else. There's no room for it in the Pride Parade.
Chris, Toronto ON
05/13/10 4:44 PM EST
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Sandilands must resign
Attacking the community in this way is despicable. The board must fire her, and any of the board members who were complicit must be impeached.
Alex, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 4:50 PM EST
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Let's get rid of Sandilands
We have a white south african straight to woman running our Pride who doesn't get that "the left" fought for Pride for years ... out with her... she has been lying to us... a lying idiot.
zezi, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 4:50 PM EST
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Seriously?
Are you people serious? Pride is trying to reach a compromise (clearly something the groups in question are unable to do) and protect their reputation, their funding, and ensure the festival is peaceful and safe. And you're siding with a radical group that is spewing hatred as part of their message. Yes, I said hatred. You don't use words like apartheid or draw visual replications of a swastika as part of balanced discourse. I say let them in the parade if they don't violate the city's policy. if they do, kick them out.
Mark, Toronto ON
05/13/10 4:54 PM EST
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Seriously, yes!
How is banning a group a "compromise"? Why does one group need to be silenced to appease another? If hate laws were broken, why did no one call the cops?
Alex, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 5:01 PM EST
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@Mark ... yes, seriously
How is it hateful to be opposed to occupation of the West Bank and a siege on Gaza that has resulted in humanitarian catastrophe? Notice that the city has never held a formal investigation into the question of QuAIA violating anti-discrimination rules... these documents show that they would LOVE to do that, but they never will because they know such an investigation has no basis in factual evidence. Instead they rely on distortion to motivate a political witch hunt because that is the only thing that will work for them. Mark, if you are so confident that QuAIA are the bad guys in this, then call on the city to hold a FORMAL, PROFESSIONAL investigation into QuAIA's activities. The problem with doing that for you is that it requires that both sides get a hearing. And when both sides are heard, Israel's distortions never stand up to the light of day.
Sav., Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:08 PM EST
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They did call the cops
The cops responded after someone was hit in the head with a glass bottle. And the group isn't being silenced. I am sure they can promote their cause in a million different ways. They just can't cross the line into hate speech (and yes, the Swastika crosses the line in the minds of 99.999% of the world. It just does.) As somebody said above, Middle East politics has no place in the Pride Parade. If they want, maybe they can have their own parade. No wait, they can't because they violate city policy. Instead let's make Pride jump through hoops so a few dozen people get their time in the spotlight.
Mark, Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:10 PM EST
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Mark: 'Seriously' requires honesty
Pride is not trying to reach a compromise. Pride is trying to play censor. And Pride has been lying to the community about that. That's not compromising: To repeat, that's censoring -- and lying. As for the group QuAIA, it is no more "radical" than every other person who has defended or used the term "apartheid" to describe what's happening in Israel -- including: Kyle Rae, Michael Ignatieff, Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu, Naomi Klein, Ehud Barak, and Richard Falk. Are they also guilty of "hate"? Where there is hate, you should call the police (see: http://tinyurl.com/27snw22). That's how hate is handled. So, I ask you: Have you called the police? There is no evidence of any policies or laws being broken. In Canada, we have freedom of expression -- and that includes lawful political speech, whether some people find that "offensive" or not. TOO BAD, that's democracy. What's even more offensive is censorship. (And, on the "swastika" claim, it's an absolute lie: QuAIA members did not wear swastikas. One individual in the parade wore a crossed-out swastika -- which is perfectly legal -- but he is not a QuAIA member.) The bottom line is that Pride Toronto Inc. is not open, transparent, or democratic, that it's trying to censor a legitimate group and lawful political speech, and that it LIES. How can anybody consider Pride Toronto to be legitimate, now? The Executive Director, Tracey Sandilands, must resign.
Rick, London Ontario
05/13/10 5:16 PM EST
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Pride Toronto Inc. has lost legitimacy
Mark: You claim that "The cops responded after someone was hit in the head with a glass bottle." However, you provide ZERO details or references. Are we supposed to take you seriously? QuAIA was never involved in any such violence. Quite the contrary: Members/supporters of the Jewish Defence League (identified by the FBI as a terrorist organization) assaulted QuAIA members/supporters at the Pride parade. And yes, banning QuAIA from the Parade is an act of SILENCING. There is absolutely no basis, no evidence, whatsoever to justify QuAIA's exclusion. Exclusion is silencing. Note that the respected Canadian Civil Liberties Association agrees. See: http://ccla.org/?p=5098 -- and if you want an explanation for what Middle Eastern politics has to do with Pride, then see the FAQ at: http://www.quaia.org
Rick, London Ontario
05/13/10 5:20 PM EST
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anti-fascism is hate speech?
So, a crossed out swastika (a common anti-fascist symbol) is now hate speech? Against who, Nazis? If I see a sign with a crossed out cigarette, I know it means no smoking. If I see a sign with a crossed out P, I know it means no parking. If I see a sign with a crossed out swastika, I know it means no Nazis. If this is confusing to someone, I would suggest for their own safety and to avoid traffic violations they take a refresher course in driver's ed. I'm not sorry if Nazis are offended by Pride. Actually, I hope they are offended. I would be horrified to imagine a Pride Parade which Nazis aren't upset with.
bill, Winnipeg MB
05/13/10 5:21 PM EST
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Yup. seriously.
Hate has no place in the parade. And the argument is not that they are breaking the law. They are violating the city's anti-discrimination policy. And since the parade is held on city property and with city money,that is a big deal. Seems to me Pride is trying hard not to let a couple dozen protesters hijack the parade. And I suspect the other 800,000 or so visitors to the event support that decision. Instead of screaming about Pride trying to fix this, why don't you try to convince QAIA to act respectfully in the eyes of... well everyone it seems but a few blowhards who still read Xtra.
mark, Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:26 PM EST
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What's in a word?
I fail to see what's so hateful about the word "apartheid." After all, Israel and South Africa enjoyed very warm relations with each other during the Apartheid era. Also, regarding Middle East politics in Pride Parades, events at last year's San Fransisco Pride demonstrated that queers can mention the Middle East all they want, just so long as they side with Israel. http://jvoices.com/2009/07/12/queer-jews-will-not-be-silenced/
Leo, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 5:28 PM EST
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@Mark - typical example of pro-Israel distortion
Yes, Mark there was a bottle thrown at Pride 2009. It was thrown INTO THE QUAIA CONTINGENT. And yes, the cops were called after a pro-Israel American tourist grabbed a camera from a QuAIA member and smashed it. You are actually trying to cite assaults perpetrated against QuAIA as evidence that QuAIA is a hate group. Notice that Mark just says "someone" was hit with a glass bottle... he doesn't bother to tell you it was a QuAIA member that was hit.
Sav., Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:33 PM EST
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Great idea - use Pride to condemn a Gay friendly
QuAIA are a bunch of attention-seeking half-wits. They aren't interested in Gay rights and Kyle Rae had it right when he said they are trying to exploit the event to spread their message of hate. I don't know what's more offensive- someone like the not-too-bright Elle Flanders saying keeping the bigots who want to vilify israel and falsely label it "apartheid" shows Pride has no interest in community,as if their hare-brained cause has anything to do with our community, or their using an event that's supposed to be about celebrating Gay culture as a platform to attack a Queer friendly country in favour of those who would persecute us, like the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Bones, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 5:33 PM EST
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Nice bias, people
Wow, love the bias in the comments and the original article. I don't think for a second that a Pro-Palestine group would illicit the negative response this group is getting. Why? because they are actively, and aggressively, anti-Israel. There is a difference, people. Now, before anyone claims otherwise, I do not think Israel has clean hands in a) their dealings with the Palestinians nor b) on all issues concerning gay rights. They have things they need to answer for. And some of the charges are serious. However, Pride is being hijacked (yeap, that's the right word) by a group wanting to make a political statement about an issue that has nothing to do with queer rights or the queer identity. And that, my friends, is the problem. Plan your own march. Don't piggy back on the efforts (and years) of others. This group is amazingly selfish. Supporting them is amazingly short sighted. Shame.
Damian, Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:34 PM EST
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here's a compromise
Gilles Duceppe (of all people) suggested everyone would be able to have peaceful discussions about this topic if neither side used the words "apartheid" or "terrorist" Maybe it would be a start.
Chris Mack, Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:38 PM EST
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@Damian - ok, but that's a two-way street
If you want to throw QuAIA out on the basis that queers shouldn't express their political opinions at Pride (I disagree, but for the sake of argument...) then are you going to also call on Israel to stop using the Parade to promote it's own national image? Let's remember, that's where this started... Israel has been claiming that the West should support it because it allows for a few gay rights. So if you don't want one side represented in the parade, I assume you want to throw out the other side as well, right?
Sav., Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:40 PM EST
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HIJACK!
Imagine that, wanting to make a political statement at Pride?!!! Well what the hell do you think Pride is? A bunch of corporate floats with equally corporate bodies just dancing around for straight people and queers to feel happy that we have what we have and screw anyone else?!! Oh, yes, it is that. Anti-Israel? So if I don't like the latest Lady GaGa video,does that make me Anti-GaGA? I don't think so. Criticizing Israel does not make anyone anti-Israel, maybe anti-Israel policy and there is nothing wrong with that. If Pride had any integrity, they would just let QuAIA march and the media hype would be but a blip and the focus would be back on your oh so hard worked on abs Damian...but instead they caved and like sharks those who feel they are seeing the glorious state of Israel's branding campaign questioned smell blood. I would say that Pro Israel State Policy folks are the ones who are hi-jacking Pride. Now go dance.
tina, toronto ON
05/13/10 5:43 PM EST
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Uhm... ya
Yes, I am aware the bottle was thrown at a QUAIA member. I didn't say it wasn't. But nice jump to conclusions there. Violence begats violence. That's all I was saying. That and the status quo isn't acceptable to the rest of us 800,000 people who attend. Why doesn't QUAIA throw their own parade. Oh wait, it's because they couldn't get a permit, BECAUSE THEY VIOLATE THE CITY's ANTI DISCRIMINATION POLICY. I think we've let them hijack Pride Toronto long enough. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but it seems like Pride, the city and the rest of the kijillion people who hold Pride dear have already decided; they're not welcome if they violate one of the most celebrated anti-discrimination policies in the world.
Mark, Toronto ON
05/13/10 5:47 PM EST
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Anti-QuAIA mouthpieces are easy to refute
(#1) Did QuAIA violate city anti-discrimination/-harassment policies? While I have seen it suggested -- as a political strategy -- I have not seen any evidence that answer this question conclusively in the affirmative. On the contrary, the respected Canadian Civil Liberties Association (http://ccla.org/?p=5098) says: "It simply does not follow that because a small part of a parade shows material that is offensive and makes some uncomfortable, the parade has created a hostile atmosphere that contravened anti-discrimination policies." (#2) Is "apartheid" accurate and how does it relate to LGBTQ people? Israel is not at all a bastion of queer liberation; homophobia is rampant in its government, military, and wider society. The apartheid regime makes conditions even worse for LGBT Palestinians: Not only are they denied equality rights, but they are also walled into terrible social conditions imposed, in large part, by Israel's policies and actions (e.g., war crimes). Canadians for Justice in Peace in the Middle East produces an excellent fact sheet on apartheid in Israel available for download from: http://tinyurl.com/yaulwr4 -- and also see QuAIA's FAQ at: http://queersagainstapartheid.org/faq/ (#3) We live in Canada -- a democracy, I'm told, where we enjoy freedom of expression as a guaranteed fundamental right. According to our Supreme Court, that includes LAWFUL POLITICAL SPEECH. Being "offended" by lawful political speech is not a valid reason to censor it or to ban a group that exercises this sacred right. Exclusion because of a difference of opinion in a debate is censorship -- and that is silencing.
Rick, London Ontario
05/13/10 5:59 PM EST
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Israeli Apartheid
In a free and democratic society such as ours I can not understand why so many people find it offensive that someone can support the Palestinian position for statehood. In my opinion this would end so much of the turmoil that orginates from the Israeli governments repeated assaults on the Palesinian people. I am not anti-semetic and I hate that I even have to say that here but anytime support is shown for anyone but the Israelis you are branded that. Wasn't it the Israelis who took the Palestiniann lands in the first place?? Let this group march under any title it wants to. Wasn't Pride itself born out of a political stake? That to me is the true essence of what Pride should be NOT the corporate lovefest it has become.
Jeff, Toronto on
05/13/10 6:27 PM EST
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Pride is dead
When Pride stops being about the community and for the community it is pointless and might as well be laid to rest otherwise it will be nothing more than a dancing and drinking festival. I was very impressed with Sandilands and Pride Inc when they listened to the community that censorship is unacceptable to us now I realize we were just being fed a line and being ignored. The executive committee have lost their connection to the community, I was suspicious about it being able to maintain the community spirit when they brought in an outsider with no connection to the community to run things, Toronto Pride is supposed to be about the Toronto LGBT community not some attraction for us to attend but a celebration of us. Clearly Pride has lost its way. I say its time to bury it and reform it again in a way that will serve the community. There's nothing special about drinking and dancing, anyone can do that any time, we need a people's Pride that is all about the LGBT community in Toronto, ban the corporate sponsorships, ban censorship right from the get go. Let us try to learn from Caribana, they managed to maintain a wonderful community event for a long time now, Pride starting getting lost when it got so heavily involved in corporate sponsorship it started becoming a live action commercial and the community groups who its supposed to be about were relegated to the back of the line. Maybe we should split Pride into two separate events, one can be the disneyification of gay Toronto like we have now where nothing unpleasant is allowed and politics have to be checked at the door and the other can be about us, celebrating our LGBT community in all its wonderful diversity, we can just show up and all march together. I'll be attending wearing a T-shirt proclaiming my support for Queers Against Israel Apartheid, they may be able to ban them from marching but they can't ban us from attending. We are have the power to make them heard regardless of what others think.
Rich, Rich Toronto
05/13/10 6:36 PM EST
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maybe city should cut funding
Now that I know we've been lied to and our concerns about censorship totally ignored I sort of hope the city does go ahead and end its financial support of Pride. It might help put Pride out of its misery and make it easier to be reborn as a legitimate organization representing the LGBT community of Toronto instead of Israeli propaganda. Considering that QuAIA in reality has done nothing to violate the city's anti-discrimination clause yet they've been thrown to the wolves as if they were a hate group instead of a human rights group. If the city would actually investigate them for themselves they'd reach the same conclusion yet for some reason they seem incapable of doing so and are only willing to rely on propaganda and lies from the don't dare criticize Israel folks. I couldn't believe someone actually had the nerve to blame QuAIA for having a bottle thrown at them and one of their members being assaulted by a member of the don't dare criticize Israel group. They actually said well violence breeds violence, what is violent about criticizing Israeli policy? They're so blinded by ideology that they can't see that its those opposed to QuAIA who are the violent and dishonest ones who have to resort to violence, lies and a smear campaign because they couldn't find anything legitimate that would justify banning QuAIA. I'm disgusted by the actions of the anti-QuAIA folks, especially those who used violence against them at last year's march but also those who continue to spread lies and propaganda about them. When Toronto Pride starts censoring the community its supposed to represent it has lost all legitimacy and doesn't deserve to continue on as if everything was normal. Shame on Sandilands and Pride Inc. and shame on those trying to censor QuAIA, its through your efforts alone that Pride has lost its legitimacy.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 6:54 PM EST
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A separate Pride for whiners is a great idea
Please, please, please, do start your own pride organizations. I'll even throw in $50 to get all the Pro-anti-Israeli whiners out of the event the rest of us love. If I say pretty please, will you do it?
Chris, Toronto ON
05/13/10 7:03 PM EST
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Quit Lamenting your woes
yes, you live in Canada. Yes, you are protected by the Constitution. On most day, I am actually very much opposed to Israeli policy. But we at this second, we are talking about a specific event, that is in part funded by the city, and that is where your argument dissolves. If the group wanted to march in the Santa Claus Parade, or Caribana they wouldn't be allowed. Nor if they wanted to have a concert at City Hall, or a booth at the jazz festival or Ex. Their house. Their rules. Democracy's a bitch, aint it.
Mark, Toronto ON
05/13/10 7:12 PM EST
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re: Quit lamenting your woes
Please explain what's democratic about censorship? I could see if QuAIA actually violated the city's anti-discrimination policy but they haven't as anyone who actually has examined them and their message knows. The fact that the city isn't doing this but is only relying on complaints from those who don't like others criticizing Israel is a problem. The fact that Sandilands and Pride Inc has been lying to the community is a major problem too. So add on to that please explain how denying due process is democratic? or how is lying to the community you're supposed to represent democratic? Just because politicians do it doesn't mean its acceptable for Pride Inc to do so as well.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 7:19 PM EST
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get their message out regardless
The ironic thing is that the attempts to censor QuAIA has done far more to get their message out than they could have ever managed on their own. I don't even remember them marching in last year's parade, I must have been doing something else when they came by, I for one never even heard of them until I heard about the attempts to silence them, at first I believed they were using hate speech since that's what I was told, it was only my interest in seeing for myself just how bad they were that I realized they weren't bad at all and that I had been lied to and manipulated which really pissed me off. I'm not a member and never will be but the all the propaganda and the smear campaign against them has made me determined to stand up for QuAIA where ever I saw lies and distortions being spread about them. If those opposed to anyone criticizing QuAIA had just left well enough alone me and many thousands of others would never have heard QuAIA's message. By trying to silence them they've in effect given them far more publicity than they ever would have gotten on their own, QuAIA owes those trying to silence them a thank you for all they've done to get out the message about the unjust Israeli policies about the Palestinians. Since it looks like they'll get their way and QuAIA will be banned from the march I think its only appropriate that everyone opposed to censorship wear a T-shirt or carry a sign or flag proclaiming your support for QuAIA and your opposition to censorship so the tradition of promoting QuAIA started by those trying to silence them can live on. Censorship by our own against our own is totally unacceptable and that must be made clear. Pride Inc has lost all legitimacy as representatives of our community and should be shown the same respect they've shown all of us by lying to us and ignoring our concerns, if they manage to silence QuAIA they should be made aware they cannot silence the community.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 7:35 PM EST
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QuAIA lies
The lie that QuAIA is trying to perpetrate, aside from the fact that Israel is an "apartheid" country when it isn't, is that somehow Pride isn't about the LGBT community becuase they are being excluded. These asses don't care about the LGBT community in any sense other than to exploit it for their cause- if they did care about the community, they wouldn't be thinking about themselves and their own self-promotion and be indifferent to the harm they are causing Pride. When did Pride become a venue to attack a country that respects Gay rights and gives Gays asylum in favour of those that persecute Gays? If QuAIA genuinely care about Palestinian Gays rather than caring about themselves and their own CUPE-sponsored self-promotion, they should be protesting Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. It is a CRIME TO BE GAY IN GAZA, punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. And there is usually torture, sometimes murder of Gays before the imprisonment. If these hypocrites care about Palestinian Gays, then protest against Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, who persecute Gays, not Israel, that respects our rights as Gays and often gives Palestinian Gays sanctuary. Read these about Hamas' and the Palestinian Authority treatment of Gays and think about it: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article575744.ece http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/05/MNG5LNUTQG1.DTL http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/world/israel/isnews005.htm
Bones, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 7:40 PM EST
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QuAIA = a perfectly legitimate LGBTQ group
"MARK": The argument does not "dissolve" because you're entirely incorrect. The only criteria for participation in the Pride parade is that the contingent is either part or supportive of the LGBTQ community, and that it does not break the law. QuAIA is a group of LGBTQ people, its focus is LGBTQ rights in Israel/Palestine, and it has not broken the law. Therefore, QuAIA has every right to participate in the parade; to exclude QuAIA would be censorship/silencing. "BONES": I see that you're still trolling around. As usual, you're presenting red herring arguments that are logical fallacies and therefore both invalid and irrelevant. Anybody who wants the truth about QuAIA should visit: http://queersagainstapartheid.org/faq/ And let us remain focussed on the real issue: freedom of expression and lawful political speech. What this whole issue boils down to is censorship: There are those who disagree with QuAIA's opinions, and so they seek to exclude them from the parade. That's censorship, that's silencing -- and it has no place in a democracy, in Canadian society, and especially in the LGBTQ community. QuAIA exists precisely because Israel does NOT provide equality rights to all LGBTQ people within the borders it controls -- and that's a result of apartheid in Israel. It's a debate, folks: Debate is good. Autocratic exclusion of lawful political speech hurts everybody, and it's certainly not the democratic way to win a debate, either!
Rick, London Ontario
05/13/10 8:06 PM EST
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No Censorship
The Toronto Pride Festival, over its thirty year history, has accepted many different forms of political and personal protest for many different reasons. The recent decision to censor one group from marching because another group finds their message offensive is counter to the spirit and reason for the festival. Pride Toronto is simply giving in to the desires of one small, special interest group and, in doing so, will find themselves in a much larger conflict about censorship and freedom of speech. Those who administrate the festival would do well to remember that Martin Gladstone and his supporters does not define the festival for hundreds of thousands of others and to allow him to do so is both unfair and dangerous. Sincerely Brad Fraser
Brad Fraser, Toronto ON
05/13/10 8:14 PM EST
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Hi Bones!
Charles from Nova Scotia doesn't like pro-Palestine queers... awwww, but he's so determined and isn't he kind of adorable?
Sav., Toronto ON
05/13/10 8:16 PM EST
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re: Bones
Bones you claim that QuAIA is causing harm to Pride however its not them who are trying to get the city to cancel its funding of Pride, its those who would rather see Pride suffer than allow a group they disagree with to march who are causing the harm, actually after learning that we've been lied to by Sandilands and our concerns about censorship ignored I'm starting to think that perhaps less money would help Pride refocus on what's important about Pride. This whole mess would never have happened if those who disagree with QuAIA had left well enough alone and respected their right to have their own opinion but of course when it comes to Israel some consider having your own opinion to be anti-semitic regardless of whether or not that opinion actually is anti-semitic, so this whole issue has gotten blown way out of proportion. I thought the situation was handled very well last year with both sides of the issue marching and expressing themselves but as we now know that sort of balance is unacceptable to many of those who disagree with QuAIA. Really ask yourself who is harming Pride here, those who would march and express their opinions about Israeli policy or those who would yank funding for Pride so everyone associated with it gets less in order to silence one small group of marchers they disagree with.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 8:29 PM EST
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QUAIA- it's this! No! It's That!
London Rick says I'm trolling. With your five posts aleady on this story alone, that's pretty funny coming from you, Rumplestillskin. So now it's all about free expression. That's funny, I thought it was supposed to be about Gay Rights and Israeli oppression. Maybe it was until you actually look at the facts about Gay rights in Israel and the absolute disregard for them by your friends in Hamas. When the hell did Gay rights become a red herring when talking about Pride?! I can answer that, it did when it exposes QuAIA as self-absorbed, exploitative, lying hypocrites. I'm totally sympathetic to what Brad Fraser wrote. I believe in free expression too. But there's also common sense and decency. Those a-hole right-wing religious nuts that show up at military funerals to protest that America is cursed because of Gays have a right to free speech. But if they had any decency, which they obviously don't, they wouldn't pick that venue. If QuAIA had any decency or regard for anyone but themselves, they would pick something other than Pride to use as a venue to attack a Gay-friendly country on behalf of their homophobe friends. Consider starting their own parade, filled with anti-capitalists, Marxist-fascists, and Islamic fundamentalists who will use QuAIA to promote their hate of Israel, and if they ever get their way, will beat you to death. That would be the perfect venue for QuAIA, but not an event that is for the benefit of Gay people and not our persecutors. To Toronto Rich, who sounds like a reasonable person, I would anser both. Neither QuAIA or those who would take funding it away from QuAIA are friends of Pride. As awful as QuAIA are, I don't think Pride should lose funding because of them just as U of T doesn't lose funding for it's idiotic Israel Apartheid week. There is an obvious bias that singles out Pride. I can also sympathise with the "no one's going to tell us what to do" attitude. But QuAIA is exploiting Pride and we should be able to say NO to
Bones, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 9:07 PM EST
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How would a sign ban be enforced?
I hope City of Toronto officials aren't gullible enough to believe what Pride Toronto is telling them. How would a ban against offensive signs of the "Queer Anti-Israel Group" be enforced? Since the group is backed by OCAP (see http://update.ocap.ca/taxonomy/term/160 ) and other seasoned leftist militant demonstrators, I suspect that the group would just "comply" with the ban by showing up to the parade without any offensive signs (e.g., they could "promise" Pride Toronto that they will only march under the sign "Queers for Palestine"). Then, during the parade, they will pull their usual offensive signs against Israel out of nap sacks or from curb side supporters at a pre-designated spot along the parade route. What will the Pride Toronto volunteers or the cops then do? Rip the signs out of the hands of the QuAIA and OCAP marchers? OCAP has gotten violent before. See: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/05/11/ocaptrial_030511.html Also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l30NvTLhzC0 I doubt that the Pride Toronto volunteers will want to risk violence to themselves. I doubt that the Toronto Police will want to risk violence at Pride. So, the Pride Toronto proposal is just a way for them to keep City of Toronto funding, while letting QuAIA "win".
Joe, Toronto Ontario
05/13/10 9:41 PM EST
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Thinking would be nice
Objecting to this group appearing in the parade has nothing to do with limiting Freedom of Expression. That is a silly comment and anyone suggesting it is playing fast and loose with the notion of said freedom. Keeping them out of the parade does not stop them from sharing their opinion in their own parade, through the Internet, by publishing their own periodicals. Denying them that would be denying them freedom of expression. The statement that Pride is about speaking out, and protest, and queers having their say is true. Except that this group is speaking out on another issue, not a queer one. If we are going to allow anyone with any point of view march, great. But then it is not longer a Pride parade but a 'Everyone say what you want' parade, which, though laudable, is something completely different. A pro-gay pro-palestine group would be just as welcome as the Israeli contingent. (Interesting aside: would an anti-Palestine Israeli group be so welcome by those so vocal in their support of the QuAIA group? I think not.)
Kieren, Toronto ON
05/13/10 9:57 PM EST
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Lets have both sides kicked out
Let just kick out the Israeli side and the Palestinian Side both sides are excluded and the problem is solved and there is no need for violence people again no need for bring a Middle Eastern War to the Streets of Toronto
Peter from, Toronto ON
05/13/10 10:46 PM EST
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WTF
Freedom of information is exposing something I didn't expect - a level of dishonesty that needs to be addressed by the community. The Execitive Committee at the City must declare they are funding Pride with or without QuAIA. It will force Pride Toronto to make it clear is it Tracey Sandilands or is she speaking for the board. Time will tell. QuAIA and supporters participate at Pride celebrations globally. Politics or party now is the time to choose community!
Blown Away, Toronto ON
05/13/10 11:25 PM EST
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@Sav really funny just Google PalestiniansGays
really? I'm Bones? just Google the term Palestinians Gays and those links come up on the first page or I'm Bones then but I am in Toronto currently( I'm usually here this time of the year)also to busy to even care about this and I don't have a Pro Palestinian Groups and currently I'm working on a project with both Israelis and Palestinians and they don't act like this at all.
Charles, Halifax, Nova Scotia
05/14/10 12:16 AM EST
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Make things more balance
Why just kick both the Pro Israel Side and the Pro Palestinians Side out to make things far on this issue so nether side wins or gets a chance to hijack pride or do we need more the National Post Headlines about our community. Since it just turning into War, Personally I fail to see how Israel is a Apartheid State and the QuAIA is just causing problems since they didn't seem to have anything with Gay Rights in Canada but another issue not really Gay related and so are the Pro Israel such as Gladstone. I find it funny that even us Queers can't bring two enemies together and make love and not war on this issue in the Middle East so why can't we bring both sides together and march together?
Peter from, Toronto ON
05/14/10 1:10 AM EST
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