Pride Toronto in hiding after spirited denunciation from queer leaders
NEWS / No one takes giant shame placard from former honorees
Marcus McCann / National / Monday, June 07, 2010
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Armed with an oversized cardboard shame award, a group of queers trying to give back their trophies ran into a problem on June 7: the offices of Pride Toronto (PT) were locked.

As one, two and eventually three police cruisers showed up, it became increasingly clear than no one from PT was going to accept the giant shame certificate nor the statuettes from former grand marshals, honoured dykes and other honorees.

A police officer on hand said that no one was inside the building but that someone from PT had alerted police to the protest on Sunday, apparently out of fear it would lead to vandalism.

After PT announced that its board had voted 4-3 to ban the term “Israeli Apartheid” from the parade, queer community leaders mobilized to pressure PT’s board to reverse its decision. First, Alan Li refused to accept the title of grand marshal, then Jane Farrow declined the honoured dyke title. Since then, both Michelle Walker (community service award) and ILGA (international marshals) have turned down honours.

During the press conference, PT issued a statement on its website, saying the decision to ban the term "Israeli Apartheid" was not taken lightly.

"The board of Pride Toronto listened to members of our community," it said. "What we heard overwhelmingly was that the use of the words 'Israeli Apartheid' made participants feel unsafe."

Tim McCaskell, a member of Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA), spoke to Xtra after PT's release.

"If people feel unsafe, I would suggest that they are being manipulated," he said. "If the word is 'uncomfortable,' well, Pride makes a lot of people uncomfortable."

An hour earlier, you could have heard a pin drop when James Loney approached the podium at the 519 Community Centre, where more than 100 queers gathered for a press conference before marching on the PT office.

Loney — a peace activist who spent four months as a hostage in Iraq — was one of nearly two dozen PT honorees    giving back their awards.

“Us queers know it in our bones: silence equals death,” Loney said, as he discussed how silence affected him and his partner following his abduction.

Watch video of the press conference:




Loney was joined by Farrow, Walker and a raft of others who spoke against PT. On hand were:

Queer leaders carried a "Shame Award" to the doorstep of Pride Toronto's Dundonald St office.
(Matt Mills photo)
James Loney (“Fearless” Theme Award, 2006)
Zahra Dhanani (Honoured Dyke, 2006)
Sky Gilbert (Grand Marshal, 2000)
Faith Nolan (Honoured Dyke, 2009)
El-Farouk Khaki (Grand Marshal, 2009)
Rachel Epstein (Honoured Dyke, 2007)
Gareth Henry (International Grand Marshal, 2008)
Anna Willats (Honoured Dyke, 2008)
JP Hornick (Grand Marshal, 2002)
John Greyson (Arts & Culture Award, 2009)
Savoy Howe (Award for Excellence in Sports, 2008)
Leonardo Zuniga (Human Rights Award, 2009)
Matthew Cutler (Youth Award, 2009)
Michelle Walker (Community Service Award, 2010)
Jane Farrow (Honoured Dyke, 2010)

Six others were to return their awards but couldn’t attend in person:

Gloria Careaga and Renato Sabbadini (International Grand Marshals, 2010)
Faisal Alam (Spirituality Award, 2009)
Victor Mukasa (International Grand Marshal, 2009)
Salah Bachir (Grand Marshal, 2005)
Rosanna Flamer-Caldera (International Grand Marshal, 2007)
Alan Li (Grand Marshal, 2010)

Discontent with PT went beyond its banning of “Israeli Apartheid,” as speaker after speaker drew links between the act of censorship and other moves to whitewash the celebrations.

Farrow pointed out that performers on all PT stages must sign an agreement promising not to say anything offensive or political. Farrow says the clause, which has been in effect since 2008, was defended by PT organizers as preventing musicians from endorsing, for instance, mayoral candidates.

“This is not speech that anyone needs to be protected from,” she said.

JP Hornick, one of the women charged in the Pussy Palace raids, decried the de-sexing and de-politicizing of Pride.

“This is not a parade; it’s a march. It’s about sex. It’s about who we fuck,” she said.

Anna Willats, Pride Toronto's honoured dyke in 2008, told the boisterous room that queers need to take back Pride “if we want to put on a World Pride [in 2014] that doesn’t look like the Santa Claus Parade.”

Performer, playwright and provocateur Sky Gilbert remembered his experience of being told not to perform sex acts on his float in the late ’90s, after he gave head to a dyke’s strap-on dildo the year before.

He also defended PT executive director Tracey Sandilands — sort of.

“I’m sure that she’s a nice person. I suspect that she’s maybe a nice person. Tracey Sandilands is the new face of corporate Pride, but she’s just doing her job,” he said, adding that political queers have allowed Pride to become a sanitized spectacle.

Musician Faith Nolan says that she’s been following as alternative Pride events spring up. She was invited to perform at one — apparently to be held at the Gladstone — which was to be a non-political show of unity that didn’t choose sides between PT and QuAIA.

“I looked at it and I emailed them back and said, 'Absolutely not,’” adding, “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.”

Groups will outline plans for alternative Pride celebrations at a community meeting at The 519 tonight (Monday, June 7), at 6:30pm. The proceedings will be streamed at xtra.ca. (UPDATE: Watch our recording below. First chunk missing due to internet connection issues at the event — our apologies!)




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Reader Comments


 
Frightening Pride Toronto
I'm sorry to hear that the Shame Award people have frightened Pride Toronto into closing the office likely in the process of business for June events. This lot is a persistant group and is likely to cause problems at Pride Parade. I would like to remind everyone that we are going to be held responsible for the safety of old people, babies, running children and the disabled - of which there are a lot in Toronto. We have the honour of taking over a large section of Downtown Toronto for Pride and I suggest we cool it in the name of safety. This group is undoubtedly now scaring away people that had planned to attend the events. I say this is the real shame.
Bryan Charlebois, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 1:18 PM EST
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Oh yes, really scary!!!
Indeed: LGBT community leaders, professionals, and advocates -- with musical instruments and paper props -- are simply TERRIFYING. Call in the riot squad!!! LOL!
Rick, London Ontario
06/07/10 1:36 PM EST
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Just another lame tactic from Pride Toronto
They didn't close their offices out of fear. They're simply desperate for sympathy. Why would a bunch of anti-violence peace activists do something against their very nature and core beliefs? These are all respected community members returning their awards to an organization that has lost its way. Pride Toronto is too embarrassed to face the criticism it deserves.
Jason, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 1:41 PM EST
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Persistent lot
I was at the press conference this morning, and the 519 auditorium was filled with a very diverse crowd including very peaceful old people, babies, persons with disability as well as the most selfless group of past nominees in our community. And yes they are persistant and they are not going away.
JG, Toronto ON
06/07/10 1:41 PM EST
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who's pride is it anyway?
persistence is why we have gotten this far in the first place...pride toronto has sold out to corporate/policy slavery; who's pride is it anyway?
paddoburger, toronto on
06/07/10 1:46 PM EST
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right
Right Bryan, because standing up for a Pride parade with actual _content_, an actual message is going to scare old ladies away. What would you prefer, a boring parade painted TD green from one end to the other? A politically correct boredom-fest that never-takes-sides and never really does anything? Personally I'd like to see a queer festival with actual queers and queerness in it. Maybe that makes you uncomfortable dude, all I can suggest is maybe you're not comfortable in your own skin (that is assuming you're actually queer or trans... then again, maybe you are another straight cisgender coming in here and telling us how to organize our affairs.)
Sav., Toronto ON
06/07/10 1:55 PM EST
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Outrageous
That Pride Toronto would call the police on its own past nominees is beyond belief. Sandilands must resign.
JG, Toronto ON
06/07/10 2:24 PM EST
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Correction Pls
"She told the boisterous room that queers need to take back Pride “if we want to put on a World Pride [in 2014] that doesn’t look like the Santa Claus Parade.” ... This was said by Anna Willats, not JP Hornick. It as a very emotion but also uplifting news conference. I am so proud of my fellow community members who spoke with passion, courage, honesty & conviction. We are organized and we are vocal. PRIDE does not belong to one organization -- It is IN the people, FOR the people and IS the people!
@ the Press conference, Toronto Ont
06/07/10 2:32 PM EST
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[Editor's Note]
RE: Correction Pls
Thanks -- we've changed the attribution on that quote.
Brent Creelman, web editor, Toronto ON
06/07/10 3:27 PM EST
maybe they have a little shame, maybe not
Personally I take it as a good sign they were too embarrassed to be there to accept the return of past honours, it might mean they're ashamed of themselves as they should be, but then again they did call the cops on them so they might be just trying to make the past honourees look bad while reducing their exposure to bad publicity, this smells like something their PR firm, Navigator, told them they should do to reduce damage to their image. I don't think it worked, just because the past honourees weren't able to actually return their honours they have renounced them publicly which is the whole point. It really is pretty bad that Pride Inc had such a low opinion of past honourees that they would call the cops on them, these are people who have done far more for the community than the board of Pride Inc has ever done.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 3:33 PM EST
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excellent quote
A most excellent quote from @ the Press conference "PRIDE does not belong to one organization -- It is IN the people, FOR the people and IS the people!"
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 3:35 PM EST
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Brilliant!
Dear Queer Community Leaders, thank you for being true to your amazing selves! You continue to work hard and inspire your community in the very ways that earned you those awards in the first place. This is what Pride is about: making a statement, standing in solidarity, and being fabulously queer/trans! The above list is a list of local heros, and I'm proud to know several of you. ~Morgan
Morgan Page, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 3:39 PM EST
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Thank you
To all of those who today returned their honours, thank you. I have been pretty depressed over this censorship decision and each one of you have proven why you got the honour in the first place. You are remarkable people with the courage of your convictions. We live in a society where each day another one of our rights is quietly stripped away. Freedom of speech is not an abstract concept and cannot be manipulated. Either you have it or you don't. You stand up for the rights of all of us by your principaled action. Thank you. I'll sleep better tonight.
Peter Bochove, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 4:24 PM EST
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Funny Observation
Has anyone else noticed that Elle Flanders looks exactly like Ezra Levant? Look at the photo gallery for this story. Picure # 2 and tell me I'm wrong.
Ironic, Toronto Ont
06/07/10 4:27 PM EST
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Who?
Who exactly are these so-called self-appointed "queer leaders"? Funny, I don't see any doctors, business women, charity workers, soccer moms, teachers, lawyers, police, firefighters, army heroes or even politicians or porn stars (lol) in that list...
William, Montreal QC
06/07/10 4:51 PM EST
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Ignorant
William, your ignorance is showing. There are at least two lawyers and one medical doctor in that list, for starters.
Paul, Toronto ON
06/07/10 4:54 PM EST
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Lawyers
William may not have recognized the lawyers because they aren't white men! I'd be delighted to know what William actually "sees" and why soccer moms & army "heroes" are desired leaders.
QueerPalestinian, Toronto ON
06/07/10 5:23 PM EST
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Kinda Hard to return an award to yourself
Nor were they "self-appointed."
Peter, Toronto On
06/07/10 5:25 PM EST
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Jesus Christ
I didn't say there weren't any, I said I didn't see them... Anyway, who cares - it turned out the way it should have, i.e., the right way, and now the "Queers" are organizing their own event. I'm thrilled. If there's one good thing that came out of all this nonsense, it's that it's motivated me to get involved in Pride and GAY politics generally. Yay!
William, Montreal QC
06/07/10 6:47 PM EST
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Shame on Past Honourees
Whatever respect I once had for those like Sky Gilbert and Rachel Epstein has been evaporated by their disgraceful behavior of late. It must be lots of fun to join the bullies in their mission to shame and ridicule a small group of underpaid workers, right outside their workplace. It's an absolute disgrace. I hope they are enjoying all the photo-ops and lip service they get from Xtra now, because they will be the ones with egg on their face when all is said and done.
Ryan, Toronto ON
06/07/10 7:15 PM EST
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Missing in action.
Underpaid or not, they were not at work today. Or maybe on a lunch break with Mammoliti, their real boss......
JG, Toronto ON
06/07/10 7:27 PM EST
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Other people not working today
JG, I guess the QuAIA supporters who attended the 10 am conference were also not at work today. But, I realize that many are university teachers (e.g., John Greyson), students, and unemployed people.
Joe, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 7:36 PM EST
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I think the QuAIA
needs to get the Shame Award for censoring the Gaza Strip Club
Peter from, Toronto ON
06/07/10 10:33 PM EST
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SHAME ON QuAIA and PAST HONOUREES
Shame Shame Shame on QuAIA for hijacking Pride Festival! It is evident that they care about their attention for selfish stupid reasons! Shame Shame Shame on all former honoured groups, honoured dykes and grand marshals for giving back their awards! You all were ELECTED by QUEER COMMUNITY! You chose to support QuAIA OVER Queer Community who elected you to REPRESENTS THEM. SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!!!!!!!!
Alex, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 11:04 PM EST
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hypocrite
Alex, I, as part of the queer community, think it is ok for them to return their awards. They got those awards because they (not you) did something significant for us as a community. That is, they don´t owe us anything... silly you... they did something for us and thus we gave them an award... because WE owe them. If the organization that gave them the award is contrary to their values and beliefs, they can burn the awards for all I care, since at the end, they earned them because they DO STUFF FOR US. How dare you, and I have never heard of you, who probably has never listed a finger for our community try to shame them. Shame on Gladstone who when chosing between the queer community and its other views chose to put Pride and the entire community through this. Shame on the board for lacking enough leadership to protect the rights of free speech of our community. Shame on you for coming over here and parroting stuff with no substance. We gave them awards because WE OWE THEM... get it through your thick skull.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 11:32 PM EST
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Awards left on the doorstep?
In the video, it looks like the past award recipients left their awards on the Pride Committee's doorstep when they realized the office was closed. Did they really leave the awards on the doorstep and walk away? If they did, I assume that the abandoned awards have been picked up by street people by now. However, I assume the more likely scenario is that the scene was just a staged "photo opportunity" and the past recipients picked up their awards from the doorstep after the media left.
Joe, Toronto Ontario
06/07/10 11:54 PM EST
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how little you know joe
With little information, ie. you were not there, assuming is just stupid. Don´t you think? In that situation, your assumptions just are as dumb as saying there are ghosts because..well... I assume there are. What is wrong with you? Why would street people pick up awards? No that anyone cares if they do. There is simply no reason to pick up your award after that either. Seriously, what is wrong you? Did anyone drop you on your head?
Tam, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:05 AM EST
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re: I think the QuAIA
Peter from yet again you've either fallen for the lies while refusing to check out the accusation yourself or you're using your highly distorted definition of censorship. QuAIA never censored Gaza Strip Club they protested it and held an information picket explaining why they opposed it. That is not censorship, not even close to no matter how far you twist the meaning. They did nothing to actually try to get it shut down and the event went on as scheduled, they were just expressing their opposition to it. It would have been censorship if they had forced it to be shut down so no one could attend but that didn't happen nor was it their intention they were just there to hand out leaflets, during a confrontation with someone with both sides getting all worked up one member of QuAIA threatened to get Buddies funding pulled. That's it, a threat made in the heat of the moment it never went any farther than that. In context of the current issue that would be like Martin Gladstone instead of making a propaganda film and then working with anti-gay bigots to get Pride's funding pulled from both city hall and sponsors, instead of doing all that to force censorship of QuAIA had instead in a moment of heated passion said "Gosh darnnit Pride! if you allow QuAIA to march again I'll get your funding pulled!!!" and then left it at that and didn't make the propaganda film and didn't work to get city hall and sponsors to drop their support of Pride. Can you see the difference between the two? One was said in the heat of the moment, another was a cold calculating plan to strong arm Toronto Pride into censoring a group of queers he disagrees with, Gladstone did succeed, through hard work and a vicious smear campaign, in getting QuAIA censored, the city almost pulled funding and sponsors became concerned through Gladstone's efforts. An angry threat is in no way censorship however censorship is censorship and not an angry threat or "compliance" like in Gladstone's Orwel
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:09 AM EST
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To: Tam
Tam, where you there? If so, tell us what happened? Did the recipients really leave their awards on the doorstep or did they pick them up after the media left?
Joe, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:13 AM EST
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how irrelevant Joe
I wasn´t there and I am smart enough to think that speculating like you did is stupid. I see no reason why any of them, however, would pick up their awards. I´ll explain, it devalues what they are doing and each one of them would face the scrutiny of the others. So you see, one can speculate, but free association thinking, like you have done... is just plain stupidity. You don´t know these people, you weren´t there, why assume anything as random as that?
Joe, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:19 AM EST
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Tam- Back off! SHAME On QUAIA and PAST HOUNOUREES!
Tam, You are wrong! I voted them through the community process in the past. Excuse me, all past hounourees has NO RIGHT to return these awards because the community voted them to REPRESENT the community. It is SO SHAME that past honourees has PICKED QuAIA OVER the representative of queer communities! Past Honourees- you chosen to support QuAIA- you disrespect my vote to you which I do not ask you to support QuAIA. I am against the QuAIA because they are a hate group that makes many people uncomfortable at Pride Festival. I heard that QuAIA are making a bomb threat at the Pride Parade, is that true? ADMIT IT, QuAIA!
Alex, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:20 AM EST
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re: Awards left on the doorstep?
Joe it doesn't matter whether the awards were left on the doorstep or not, they are just symbols. They were there to renounce their honours in protest of Pride Inc's new censorship policy. That was the whole point, not what happened to some pieces of hardware. Btw if the event hadn't been held at a time when so many were at work I'm sure many hundreds would have shown up like at tonight's meeting on the issue, they wanted to return the awards to Pride Inc and to do so had to do it during working hours when Pride Inc should have been there. Lots of people don't work 7 days a week btw, some don't work Mon - Fri or have flexible hours or just took the time off work to attend, that doesn't mean they aren't contributing members of society or don't live in the real world like you seem to be implying in your previous post. These people have done far more for the community than yourself or the others taking shots at them in these posts and deserve some respect.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:22 AM EST
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Someone has an ego problem Alex
Alex, You must be insane. Now you claim, against all reason, that QuAIA is making a bomb threat. How fucking ridiculous can you get? What kind of morons do you hang out with? QuAIA? Are you insane? At this point I think you should go to therapy and leave us alone. I´d be willing to wager that you are a libelous lunatic and that no such a thing is about to happen from QuAIA, most of whom are probably vegans who can´t even get themselves to hurt a cow to get some milk. As far as you being the community. Let me clear it out for you little Alex, we are the community... all of us. You are not important enough and if you feel insulted, go to therapy. It appears you need it for various reasons. I´ll explain if I had voted them in, and I didn´t, and they returned their awards, because I am not a rabid insecure moron, I wouldn´t take it personally.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:27 AM EST
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re: Alex
Alex you don't get to dictate what the past honourees do with their awards, they are their awards not yours, they were given their awards for very good reason because they are community activists and leaders who have done much good for the community. They have chosen to support freedom of expression because they understand how important that is to the LGBT community in Toronto and all of Canada. Freedom of expression is the cornerstone right upon which all of other LGBT equality rights have been built. Freedom of sexual expression and freedom of identity expression are the core of LGBT equality, its what its about to be out of the closet when we no longer censor ourselves. It is the heart of our fights to stop the censorship of our books, magazines and movies at the border. I'd argue that freedom of expression is both the most important right we have and the one most threatened in today's society. Anti-gay bigots would love nothing more than for the entire LGBT community to be censored everywhere in society so they no longer have to see or hear about us. Some of them even totally disagree with QuAIA's point of view but they understand how important it is fight for their right of free expression is to the LGBT community. QuAIA is no hate group, they don't use hate speech, they aren't anti-semitic and they aren't even anti-Israel, they are human rights peace activists, many are Jewish Israeli-Canadians themselves and want to see Israel prosper as a country that respects the human rights of all under its power. I see you bought into the smear campaign against them lead by Gladstone, his propaganda video is full of lies and distortions that have no basis in reality. The only violence last year was from an anti-QuAIA person who threw a bottle at them during the march, again this year the only threats of violence have also been from anti-QuAIA folks who say there will need to be more police this year if QuAIA marches, an ugly attempt to intimidate QuAIA from marching.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 12:52 AM EST
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Congrats to former honorees
I think most of us know the suffering and despair of the Pals on the Gaza strip. They are in one big prison, really. Just google independent reporting on life their under the Great Censorship Regime next door. But you can't say anything about them publicly for fear of retribution one way or the other.
Marc, petawawa ontario
06/08/10 1:46 AM EST
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Tracey Sandilands not Hiding.
Tracey Sandilands gave a big fuck you to the community last night by proudly boasting she was at the Rosewater Supper Club celebrating Kyle Rae. Not only was she not upset with Kyle and his moves at the City she posted on Facebook she was with "anybody who is anybody" at the same time as the Pride Coalition for Free Speech meeting. Not surprising she was seen partying with Martin Gladstone only a couple of nights before.
Disgusted, Toronto ON
06/08/10 7:41 AM EST
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Ironic Protesters
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has a Pride Parade and that any of these protesters would be jailed and possibly put to death if they were in any other country in the Middle East. To use the word Apartheid to describe what Israel is doing is flawed and inflammatory. I am not saying that Israel is without fault in the present situation but clearly the Palestinians are not innocent bystanders either. Israel is a friend to the gay community we should not turn our back on them.
Kevin, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 7:44 AM EST
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Always missing the point
Everyone keeps harping on how Israel is a friend to the gay community, so we should never ever criticize them. That's like hanging out with a guy who beats his partner but is also your your golfing buddy, so it would be impolite to point out what a fucking asshole he is.
Dan, Toronto ON
06/08/10 8:02 AM EST
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who is the abusive boyfriend?
Dan, it is just as taboo to support Israel as it is to criticize Israel, so your domestic abuse analogy doesn't make sense. Recently in Madrid, an Israeli LGBT group was turned away from their Pride for the same reasons as QuAIA was turned away from ours. There are two sides to every story, and if Israeli is supposed to be an abusive boyfriend then its partner (let's call them 'Hammas') is equally as violent.
Ryan, Toronto ON
06/08/10 8:31 AM EST
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The issue is censorship in Tor by Pride T. period.
At this stage it has little to do with Israel or QUAIA or Gaza. It now is about free speech in Toronto being curtailed by our own Pride Toronto set-up. The issue is censorship in Toronto by our own people. Period. Kudos to all who have refused or returned current and past "honours" for understanding this very important point. Let's now go on to try and restore free speech in our LGBT community with or without the official Pride T Board approval. It is after all our Pride not just that of a bureaucratic committee of Pride overseers. Let us all work together to restore the true spirit of Pride by restoring free speech for our March. It isn't all about corporate floats and whooping it up in the streets--all that means nothing when we are arbitrarily censoring our own people.
james dubro, toronto Ontario
06/08/10 8:58 AM EST
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Hypocrisy
O please. All of these past winners returning their awards; all of the present "winners" refusing their award on the basis of their disapproval of Pride Toronto's censorship? Many of these individuals thumping their chest and joining the trendy bandwagon, are guilty of censorship and discrimination THEMSELVES. Michelle Walker, for example that was nominated for the community service award for her website, superdyke.com, censored and BANNED, myself and another poster off her public wall, because she didnt agree with the political position we were making, and it opposed her friends' perspectives. How is that not censorship and bias? She didnt mind that her and hers were personally attacking US, but if we defended ourselves, shit breathed or even offered an opinion on ANYTHING that she didnt agree with, we were deleted, and then banned from. She says, you can use the rest of the site, just not the wall. But she doesnt agree with censorship to the point she wont take an award? I guess it is ok if it is HER doing the picking and choosing. And Savoy Howe of the Toronto newsgirls boxing club, refused me access to her club, even to watch a club show, because i have a mental health issue and had attended her shape your life program for survivors of violence. Instead they persecuted and harassed me for years on end; including calling a boxing club in another community i moved to and telling them "not to let me in their club i was trouble"; and all because i trusted them, and came to them for HELP. Savoy also had my blogs hacked down etc, where i revealed my story of how i was treated, and posted the numerous harassing and abusive email they sent me online. Against censorship or the pick and choose mentality? Again only if it is "publicly popular" to do so, or if it is THEM doing the picking and choosing and stifling and oppression. Talk the talk but dont trust me DO NOT walk the walk. All that glitters is NOT gold; fools' gold maybe.
Shauna, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 9:13 AM EST
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Force Sandliands to RESIGN
Sandilands - seen with Gladstone one day and whooping it up with Kyle Rae on another day. It is clear that her decisions are partisan. She DOES NOT reprsent the wider community.
J Roman, Toronto ON
06/08/10 10:05 AM EST
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Madrid...
Ryan, It appears that you are getting the shorter version of what happened. According to Spanish news, they banned them because of the flotilla attack and because their participation was state sponsored as it was being organized by the city of Tel Aviv and the city of Tel Aviv has not publicly condemened the attack. I guess it is something like boycott divestment and sanctions and since israel has no interest in that, they haven´t translated this so as not to show how many people are taking it up. Perhaps if they weren´t part of a concerted government effort it would be different. In fact, Antonio Proveda, of FELGBT has said that any israeli organization that is there to defend human rights (any human rights) and in particular LGBT rights, is welcome to march. So as you can see, not the same situation as Madrid is open to the defense of any human rights. There, the queer community is making a very clear political statement that they will not support Israel´s behaviour and endorse government advertising. Furthermore, and to show how Israel is like Gladstone, the spokes person for the foreign ministry had the audacity to tell the organizers that if it was an issue of security they shouldn´t have a parade at all. Would that work for you Ryan? All that said, isn´t it ironic?
Tam, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 10:20 AM EST
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Empowering Queers
Last year I was lucky enough to make Toronto Pride my first ever pride event. It was an amazing experience, and I thoroughly enjoyed the emotions and experiences that came with the realization that we are a large and vibrant community, and that it is more than just 'ok' to be gay. To me, that is what Pride festivals should always be about. Leave the geopolitics out of it for one week. Israel is the only truly queer positive country in the middle-east, and it is baffling to see Torontonians single them out in protests. Make the political messages of the festival be about advancing gay rights, not advancing the interests of political organizations that would strive to strip us of our rights and freedoms. (i.e. Hamas)
Jesse, Calgary Alberta
06/08/10 10:25 AM EST
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Ryan, duh
Um Ryan, only a minuscule number of the 1.5 million people trapped in Gaza (and however many more in the West Bank) are Hamas. The overwhelming majority are subjected to terrible living conditions because Israel chooses to make their lives hell. However, as I and many others have pointed out, it's all besides the point. The point here is Pride Toronto has chosen to CENSOR legal, legitimate speech from an LGBT group.
Dan, Toronto ON
06/08/10 10:45 AM EST
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Thank you so much
I really appreciate all the people who have returned their awards to the shameful Pride Toronto. It gives me some hope for the humanity and this queer community.
Casey Yau, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 11:02 AM EST
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It's taboo to support Israel?! WTF?
I missed one gob smacking point of yours, Ryan. You wrote: "it is just as taboo to support Israel." Seriously, what planet are you living on? Support for Israel is everywhere on this continent - look at any mainstream media source and the US and Canadian government's positions. Support for Israel and blanket condemnation of Palestinians (via Hamas) is widespread. If there wasn't this level of support for Israel, QuAIA would not have been banned and statements like "Israeli Apartheid" would not draw such an overwhelming reaction from the Conservative Right, mainsteam media, and the state in its various forms.
Dan, Toronto ON
06/08/10 11:37 AM EST
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Devil's advocate
1. Why is this JUST about Israeli apartheid and not about EVERY political wrong doing in our world today? 2. If a float against "Israeli apartheid" is used I would suggest a float against "HAMAS Violence against Israelites" also be used.
Pete, Pickering Ontario
06/08/10 3:30 PM EST
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???
ummmm....because Pride Toronto is attempting to ban JUST the phrase "Israeli apartheid." What group do you know of that is active on EVERY political wrongdoing? People pick issues that they find relevant, compelling, or inspiring. For QUAIA that's Israel/Palestine, for gay country dancers it's line dancing, for TD Bank it's making money. I don't agree with all of them, but I don't make having a Hamas violence float a condition of their inclusion. I don't see why QUAIA needs to answer that question and not every single other participant in the march.
ana, toronto ontario
06/08/10 3:46 PM EST
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Censure not Censor
QuAIA's discriminatory name is the problem, not their right to support Palestinians. An offensive term is being banned because the City of Toronto cannot support an even that promotes anti-semitism by labeling all Israel, Israelis and Jews as supporting apartheid. What is wrong with the LGBT community in Toronto that is out to ruin Pride over the right to vilify Israel?
Parker, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 4:00 PM EST
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Motivation?
The thing is, I cannot think of another group like it in the parade. The only reason I can think of that they would single out the most progressive country in the middle-east, is antisemitism.
Jesse, Calgary Alberta
06/08/10 4:04 PM EST
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That's kind of the point
That's kind of the point. If you live in Tel Aviv, Israel is maybe the most progressive country in the Middle East. If you live in Gaza, it's actually one of most violent, authoritarian states. The argument QUAIA puts forward is that you cannot use gays to present yourself as progressive to the world as long as you're doing all these other things.
ana, toronto ontario
06/08/10 4:27 PM EST
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re: james dubro
I think you are a voice of reason in the midst of all this clatter and I totally agree with you when you say "At this stage it has little to do with Israel or QUAIA or Gaza". However in practical terms when some people think what we're fighting for is the right of a hate group to spread hate speech and anti-semitism we do have to correct them in my opinion and bring into discussion the reality of what QuAIA is about. Many people have bought into the smear campaign against them, or having only heard the Israeli side of everything in our media don't understand how anyone who isn't anti-semitic can be critical of Israeli policy. Unfortunately such things do have to addressed even if they are not the issue at hand otherwise some folks will be under the mistaken impression that we are supporting hate groups and hate speech when this is not the case at all. However I do agree its pointless debating whether or not Israel is an apartheid state since that doesn't matter one bit to this issue, people are allowed to have differing political opinions in this country and whether or not Israel is an apartheid state is a political opinion that can be debated. What is not up for debate as far as I'm concerned is everyone's right to free speech, when we allow it to be denied to one amongst us be allow it to be denied to all in the future.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 4:35 PM EST
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re: Censure not Censor
Parker you obviously know nothing about QuAIA at all, Btw how does their name "promotes anti-semitism by labeling all Israel, Israelis and Jews as supporting apartheid" ? QuAIA was created by mostly Jewish Israeli-Canadians, they are a human rights group and not a hate group nor do they use any form of hate speech, they aren't even anti-Israel, they want to see Israel prosper while protecting the human rights of everyone under their control. They are opposed to certain Israeli policies, they are not supportive of Hamas or any Muslim extremists, they are very supportive of LGBT folks in Palestine who are suffering under the policies of Israel. They in no way accuse all Israelis of being supportive of apartheid, they are in allegiance with other human rights groups in Israel, they in no way say that all Jews support apartheid, I don't know where you got that one from. It sounds like you heard the name then tried to imagine the worst possible things instead of trying to find out more about them. Yes some people who criticize Israeli policy are also anti-semitic, they are easy to spot since they blame all Jews for the problems in Israel unlike those who aren't anti-semitic but but are critical of Israeli policy. The only way you can tell one from the other is to look at what they are actually saying instead of labeling everyone critical of Israeli policy as being anti-semitic. It doesn't matter whether or not Israel is an apartheid state, that is a political discussion and people are free to have their own political views in this country, what matters is that perfectly legal non-hate speech is being censored under pressure from those who don't want anyone to hear opinions they don't personally share. That is wrong and that is censorship. Freedom of expression is one of the most important rights in the LGBT community, we have been fighting censorship of one form or another since LGBT folks started coming out in the modern era, we attack free expression at our o
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 4:50 PM EST
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re: Motivation?
Jesse when you say "The only reason I can think of that they would single out the most progressive country in the middle-east, is antisemitism." that just represents a failure of imagination on your part.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 4:52 PM EST
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The Name is the Problem
The name QuAIA is the problem because it identifies the group as being against Israel, Israelis and Jews. The City of Toronto has a policy against hate speech and it cannot fund an event that promotes anti-semitism. If QuAIA is not about vilifying Israel and Jews they should change their name to something that reflects their support for Palestinians instead of pissing on the Pride celebration.
Parker, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 5:16 PM EST
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red herrings...
The fact that Israel is more progressive than its neighbours on the issue of gay rights alone is an irrelevant red herring in this discussion. Firstly, criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians is *not* equivalent to saying that everything Israel does is bad or that everything Palestine does is good. And secondly, our responsibility as gay people is not to engage only on LGBT-specific issues and remain silent on everything else -- our responsibility is to stand up against *any* violation of human rights, *regardless* of who it's targeting. One can criticize Israel's treatment of Palestine while still defending Israel's treatment of LGBT people and criticizing Palestine's. They aren't mutually exclusive issues. Always remember the immortal words of Lillian Hellman: "Since when did we have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?"
Craig, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 5:17 PM EST
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Ego Driven
In the videos, you can see Elle Flanders bubbling over with glee that she's dropped a huge turd on Toronto's Pride festival. This lady is promoting her pet political cause at Toronto Pride's expense. Freedom of speech does not allow you to malign others.
Brook, Toronto On
06/08/10 5:36 PM EST
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re: The Name is the Problem
Parker the notion that all Jews think exactly the same and are exactly alike and somehow are Israeli policy is anti-semitic. Jewish people are just as diverse as any other group, they come from all walks of life and hold a wide variety political and social views. They are not some block of people who all think the same and believe the same things like you seem to be suggesting. yes Israel is a Jewish state but not every Jewish person is Israeli, there are many Jewish people who are Canadian, American and most every other nationality in the world for that matter, even in Israel among its Jewish citizens they are a wide ranging set of beliefs and not all Jewish Israelis blindly support their gov't especially in relation to its policies regarding the Palestinians. You make it sound like you're standing up for Jewish people in your post but by viewing Jewish as being identical in thought and working as a group and as indistinguishable from Israel you are in fact racializing them and denying their individuality. I think you really need to learn more about Jewish people and maybe try getting to know some personally and then you'll realize they are all as unique and individual as anyone else of any other religion or ethnicity. In fact QuAIA was started by mostly Jewish Israeli-Canadians. The notion that all Jews do this, or all Jews think that is offensive frankly. Besides you never did answer how their name is anti-semitic or even anti-Israel for that matter, just saying they are doesn't make it true.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 6:00 PM EST
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The Name is the Problem
The name Queers Against Israeli Apartheid reduces all Israelis and Jews to supporters of apartheid and that is discriminatory and wrong. The City of Toronto does not fund, support, or promote hate speech so they shut this group down. It is not censorship to ban a term that incites hatred toward a minority group.
Parker, Toronto ON
06/08/10 7:33 PM EST
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BULL! it doesn't even come near to hate speech
"Bullshit!" to Parker above. The 2 words do no such thing. It simply says that some Israeli policies are like apartheid. It goes no where to inciting hatred or being hateful. No it is not censorship to ban terms that incite hate--the N word etc--but this is far from one (or2) of them. If it were, then the group should be charged by the police. period. But any lawyer would be ablte to get them off as it doesn't cut the mustard for hate speech. It is a critique of some policies of a government--even Jimmy Carter (peace laureate) used the term n the title of a book many years ago now (and other peace laureates.). What is happening is censorship short and simple.
james Dubro, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 7:52 PM EST
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Everyone who matters hates the haters
Just watching the Toronto Mayoral debate - QuAIA will be pleased to hear that EVERY candidate has opposed QuAIA and their message. QuAIA has done an outstanding job of alienating everyone who counts. Good luck reapplying to Pride in 2011.
Bones, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 9:29 PM EST
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re: Parker
Parker the only ones blaming not only all Israelis but all Jews everywhere for supporting Israeli apartheid are you and some other anti-free speech types. In Israel not everyone supports the gov't policies as common sense would suggest, except to anti-semitic types anyways. Its so easy to prove just by a glance at some english online Israeli newspapers such as http://www.haaretz.com/ Only anti-semites view Jewish people throughout the world as being all the same, most people realize that Jews are just as diverse as everyone else. I don't know of anyone besides you who believes that all Jewish people blindly support everything the gov't of Israel does uncritically, just like they don't support everything their own gov'ts do uncritically but that doesn't make them anti-semitic or anti-Israel any more than those who don't support the Harper Cons are anti-Canadian. Many of those leading the protest against Israel's policies concerning the Palestinians are Jewish themselves like Independent Jewish Voices http://ijvcanada.org/ as one example or have a large number of Jewish and Israeli-Canadian members like QuAIA http://queersagainstapartheid.org/ Most people just aren't stupid enough to believe your accusation that the name QuAIA "reduces all Israelis and Jews to supporters of apartheid". Even Gladstone and his ilk backed off the hate speech claims when it became obvious it wasn't true and instead decided to focus on the claim that the term made them feel "uncomfortable" at Pride regardless of the fact that there is much at Pride to make many different people uncomfortable, Pride's very existence makes some uncomfortable yet we continue on regardless. QuAIA has been examined thoroughly, if there was any hint of hate speech they would have been charged by now. There is no justification to censor legal political speech, even if you don't agree with QuAIA's views you should still support their right to free expression since you could be next to be c
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 9:32 PM EST
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Carter apologized
Jimmy Carter apologized for using the term "apartheid" to describe Israeli policies. It's QuAIA's turn to do the same, which would require a name change. I have a few suggestions..
Bones, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 9:39 PM EST
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re: Everyone who matters hates the haters
Bones it wasn't that long ago when every mayor and mayoral candidate also opposed the very existence of Pride too. Things change and its not like politicians are know for having any backbone. If the question were do they support the right of free expression for legal political speech I'm sure they would have answered differently. Besides being unpopular does not remove their right of free expression as it applies to everyone and not just popular speech which needs no protection anyways. The attack on any form of criticism of Israel in this country should be of great concern to everyone, they always say that it isn't anti-semitic to criticize Israel just before they say criticizing Israel is anti-semitic, I've heard that line too often from politicans trying to have it both ways. I'd like someone opposed to QuAIA's right of free speech to point out exactly what they've said or done that is anti-semitic or hate speech and no the term Israeli apartheid is not hate speech or anti-semitic just because its politically unpopular. I would encourage everyone opposed to QuAIA having the right of free expression to closely examine them and what they say in an effort to find some evidence of hate speech or anti-semitism, their website is http://queersagainstapartheid.org/ and is a good place to start. There should be some requirement to back up accusations with some sort of proof, QuAIA does offer examples to back up their claim that Israel is an apartheid state so its only fair others provide examples showing QuAIA to be anti-semitic or using hate speech. If anyone can actually prove that QuAIA is anti-semitic or uses hate speech I will gladly join the crowd cheering their censorship.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 9:54 PM EST
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For the record - the awards
To settle one point of concern expressed earlier by "Joe": The awards were placed on the doorstep by the honourees and remained there until Pride Toronto staff arrived in the early afternoon. Only they know the awards' ultimate fate. One can only hope that they have been retained for eventual return to the honourees or deposited with the CGLA (along with the "Pride Shame Award") as they represent an important part of this chapter of the community's history.
A wily observer, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 10:19 PM EST
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re: Carter apologized
Actually Bones Carter apologized for saying anything that might have stigmatized Israel not for using the term apartheid. Here's a quote from Carter himself "I've never alleged that the framework of apartheid existed within Israel at all, and that what does exist in the West Bank is based on trying to take Palestinian land and not on racism. So it was a very clear distinction." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Peace_Not_Apartheid Regardless that does not justify censoring QuAIA even if you do disagree with them since they don't engage in hate speech or anti-semitism, even if some folks very strongly disagree with them it is still legal political speech. While searching for Carter's apology online I also came across this article that's worth checking out http://www.keghart.com/Walkom_Apartheid and http://ijvcanada.org/israel/israel-and-apartheid-is-it-a-fair-comparison/ there's an easier to read version of the same article here but you should check out the rest of the IJV site http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/03/israel-and-apartheid-is-it-a-fair-comparison/#footnote_2_14548 I don't care to debate the issue but to point out that the term Israel apartheid is a part of legitimate political speech and that there is no justifiable reason to censor it.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 10:27 PM EST
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The awards goes to
The Censorship award goes to the QuAIA , they won this because they Censor anyone that disagrees with them with disinformation and also tried to censor the Gaza Strip Club but Martin Gladstone/ Israel Lobby/ and City Hall was the runners up but the Censorship award Go's to the QuAIA since they are on a campaign of censoring everyone they disagree with or anything they don't like such as opposition and the Gaza Strip Club, funny show the censored are becoming the Censorship. So who will pick it up this award note this comes with a free trip to Gaza were they can have their own Pride in Gaza and say all the Anti Israel propaganda they want, Any objections?
Peter from, Toronto ON
06/08/10 10:43 PM EST
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my right to protest
So being queer is all about saying what you want - no matter - whenever? Alright. If that's what Pride is all about we should allow Fred Phelps to march down Yonge St in front or behind QuAIA. - It's his right - I'm sure he's pretty worked up about what he believes in but he should march in our Pride Parade. Maybe there is another side to the story about Israel and Palestine that is not being told - the story of Palestinians plight as direct result of Arab attitudes towards the Palestinians - holding them in refugee camps for decades as prisoners and feeding them the nirvana of return and overthrowing the Hebrew infidel. Israeli apartheid? Right... Peace has been brokered and broken many times. Blood has been spilled by both on each territory. Israel is not innocent - neither is Palestine. Israel is amongst wolves who would like to see it pushed into the sea. How would you respond if your neighbours said one thing and promised to do another - would you watch your back 24/7? Return your awards - get your panties in a wad if you must - but give some thought to what you are doing. QuAIA should go and live in Gaza - they would not have a podium to stand on - a pot to piss in and would probably find some of their members dead in alleys before too long.
John, TO On
06/08/10 11:29 PM EST
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yet again
Peter from, yet again you're using your own made up definition of censorship, for a quick to the point definition check out the wikipedia definition here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship notice where it says "Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material" how does QuAIA and those supporting their right to free speech suppress anyone's speech by responding to attacks against them? In regards to the Gaza Strip Club they were protesting it not trying to shut it down, protesting something also is not suppressing anyone's speech or expression. Here's a definition for free speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech please please please look up both definitions and stop using your own made up definitions of common words, it makes you look stupid when you misuse such common words like you regularly do and adds nothing to the debate on either side, btw debates and arguments are also not censorship, they are in fact the exact opposite of censorship.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 11:30 PM EST
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I don`t even know why I bother with
people who are probably obsessed about defending their nationality at all costs. I dont have a bone to pick over Palestinians or Israelie. But it is just rich to hear that letting QIAA to march in the parade is the same as letting Fred Phelps to march in Pride Parade. The former group is pro queers, Fred Phelps is anti-queers. I dont think Fred Phelps would want to march with a bunch of queers, but there is actually always an anti-queer guy holding a sign that homosexuality is a sin during every Toronto Pride that I attended. You can support the rights of Israel to exist and still oppose Israelie Aparthied , you can oppose Israelie Aparthied and still support queers right and be a queer and or a Jew. Pride Inc is just selling out to the highest bidder, it turns into a corporate whore just like everything else is nowady. Well , pride is not for sales, nor is the threat of appearing offensive to those who want to be offended. Alot of people still find 2 men kissing in public is offensive, its your right to be offended, but not my right to censor myself from offending you.
Casey Yau, Toronto Ontario
06/08/10 11:40 PM EST
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@ Rich and everyone they don't want the award
Using Wikipedia? that is not a source any university could tell you that and Yes Rich attacking anyone you disagree with or even the Gaza Strip is censorship, Sorry but democracy is a two way street but the QuAIA seems to think that it only applies to them. or here in a language that you might understand more -- ?? ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?? ????????? or ?? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?? or What you did is censorship it can do either way I know you will never get that or was it the free trip to Gaza you did not like it seems you really don't care about the rights of Queer Palestinians but more of being more anti Israel this is how you can get there have you not been watching the News in the last two weeks or was that not the QuAIA thing since they only want to us Pride as a platform and think they had a other means this video does show what you people are really doing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg) it the same but you are coning Pride for your agenda and making people believe that censorship this is the same.
Peter from, Toronto ON
06/08/10 11:51 PM EST
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peter
You must be happy that someone finally answered you... you see, after all the silly illogical things you have said, I have been ignoring you... if there is one person here not worth responding to is you. I don't know why Rich bothers.
Tam, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 12:28 AM EST
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I really wonder who this is ???
@ Tam or I mean Shalom Rick and you only say that becasue you don't like opposition since I was only pointing out that you censor too funny isn't it, but of course it not censoring when you people you did. Blah Blah Blah Blah
Peter from, Toronto ON
06/09/10 12:48 AM EST
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to Rich
I appreciate the concern of people who look at this as a "free speech" issue. It isn't. It isn't censorship in a civil liberties sense. If the government were to pass a law saying you couldn't publish oe say the words "Israeli Apartheid," then I would be out there protesting with you. That's not what this is a about. This is about 2 other things. One is whether a publicly and privately financed event can decide on the participants, which in every other case it can. You may be allowed to wave your dick around at Pride or come over to my place, and with my consent you can, but everyone recognizes that you can't do it at the Santa Claus parade and that isn't considered censorship. You have the right to say Israeli aparthied. You can't march in this sponsored event and do it. The second point is that this is not really about "censorship", but it's about the changing nature of Pride. There are some who don't like the way it has evolved into a mainstream event with corporate and public financing where there is less leeway. If the community wants to have that debate, then it should, but let's not pretend this is a censorship issue. It's an issue about going mainstream. It's no coincidence that the QuAIA supporters are generally the anti-corporate, anti-capitalism, anti-globalization crowd. Pride is going (actually has gone for some time) corporate and the ruse of talking about censorship is really resentment of the changing nature of Toronto Pride. With alternate events that are not getting corporate or public funds going on, QuAIA and other lunatic fringe groups can still be seen, heard and these are also community outlets. That the community is getting big enough and is diverse enough to have different events both mainstream and not is a good sign. The community is not so small that Pride is the only opportunity for the entire community to be heard. Some people are intimidated by that change, the rest of us see the positive aspects of the
Bones, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 10:14 AM EST
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Censorship
Bones, if Pride Toronto had handled this differently I could see your argument. In fact, Pride Toronto has not banned QuAIA from the parade or anything else. They have simply censored two words. Two words that do not meet the test for hate speech. When you ban words, as opposed to deeds, that's censorship. Everything else is a red herring. The middle east conflict is beyond me and I have no solution. I do understand free speech and censorship and there is no other definition for what Pride Toronto has done. It is unacceptable to ban words unless those words violate current hate speech laws. Don't forget, all levels of government still pretend we live in a free country.
Peter Bochove, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 11:54 AM EST
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Glad to see this event
Queers in Vancouver are following this story closely. I extend my congratulations to all of the previous winners who have returned their awards. Pride is political, censorship is wrong, and this is a step in the right direction.
Sam, Vancouver BC
06/09/10 2:28 PM EST
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Puhleeze
What about the gender apartheid perpetrated by Muslim countries against women?
Jordana, Toronto ON
06/09/10 3:43 PM EST
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Apartheid is hate speech
Gender apartheid indeed. Thank you Jordana for pointing out the hypocrisy of QuAIA. A lot of us in the LGBT community do believe that using the term apartheid is a deliberate and inflamitory act and is hateful.
Don, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 5:50 PM EST
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no nned to protest everything to protest something
The notion that any protest group is only valid if they protest every other wrong in the world at the same time too is ridiculous, people pick their battles based on whatever reason, no one protests against everything wrong in the world. Btw QuAIA support human rights for everyone not only in Israel but in the other Middle Eastern countries too, most of the founders of QuAIA have a direct connection to Israel and/or the occupied territories so that's likely why they felt that was their cause to take on as queer Jewish Israeli-Canadians. They don't use the word apartheid without reason, you may not agree their reasons but that doesn't mean their right to free speech should be taken away from them and from the rest of the community for that matter since this censorship applies to all of us and not just QuAIA. I'd support the censorship if QuAIA had ever used hate speech or was in any way anti-semitic but that's not the case. The right of free speech was meant to protect unpopular speech since popular speech doesn't need protection.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 6:03 PM EST
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the legal definition of hate speech/crime
To help people understand why the term Israeli apartheid is not hate speech I found this link here to the legal definition of hate speech and hate crimes in Canada http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/hatecrimes/ Also it seems obvious but given the amount of opposition to the term surely someone would have charged different groups who use the term regularly with hate speech under the criminal code or Human Rights Act, the fact that has never once happened is a very good indication that is not hate speech even if you don't bother to read the actual legal definition of it.
Rich, Toronto Ontario
06/09/10 6:16 PM EST
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