Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Debate time! Should gays use kids to voice their talking points?

A day or so ago, a video featuring an eight-year-old boy telling Michele Bachmann where she could cram her little ex-gay therapy went viral, because the internet loves adorable little kids and crazy church ladies being put in their place.

But as always, it raised a few moral questions that didn't really have any cut-and-dried answers. Clearly, it was the kid's mother's idea to put the whole thing together, and while they did make a valid point, is it morally okay to use kids to voice our adult opinions, regardless of whether they're right or wrong?

We'll start on the con side, because it's my blog and I can organize talking points however I want. No, the kid shouldn't have been thrown into a political game. Politics are like sex: it's something you should really start doing when you're old enough to understand the whole process. No one wants to see kids try their hands at politics or makin' sex until they have the actual maturity to handle it. Otherwise, you end up with Sixteen & Pregnant and/or the Young Republicans.

And for God's sake, the kid's mom was behind him the whole time. She's a perfectly capable adult here. It's not like she couldn't just go up to Bachmann and say, "Yeah, I'm gay and I don't need to be cured, you fucking bush-baby-looking lunatic." See? Really not hard. Adults should be mature enough to talk to each other openly about what they believe in without resorting to the mouths of babes.

But now comes the pro side. Look, I have no doubt in my mind that the eight-year-old kid loves his mother, and I'm sure he has a loving family who is raising him just as well as any heteronormative family out there. The kid makes a valid point, one that I'm sure he would believe in if he were old enough to understand that some people still think that his family is less than theirs because they don't listen to a really old book. When the kid is old enough to understand this and stand on his own two feet, with his own thoughts and opinions and beliefs, by all means, let him at the Michele Bachmanns of the world, because those bitches won't stand a chance. But until then, just let him be a kid. He'll have all the time in the world to fight the good fight when he's old enough, but for now -- he's eight. Don't use kids as pawns in an adult game, even if you're on the right side.

(via Queerty

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Wednesday, December 7, 2011 10:26 PM

Either you missed or just ignored the part of the story where the mother just wanted to leave and not talk to Bachman at all, but it was her 8 year old son who said no he wanted to talk to Bachman and dragged her back into line to wait their turn.

I have no doubt that the boy heard his mother say that she doesn't need to fixed and that she "exposed" her child to her political views that he later repeated to Bachman. But it was the boy's choice to do so, his mother didn't force him to say anything and just wanted to leave but it was her boy that insisted he talk to Bachman.

Btw 8 year olds aren't stupid, they may not fully understand politics but they do understand basic morality, right and wrong, maybe not complex ethical issues but they understand enough for it to be completely natural for this boy to say what he did. Even if he had no idea who Bachman was he knew he loved his Mom and that there was nothing wrong with her. You can be guaranteed he was regularly exposed to anti-queer bigotry if he ever watched TV. Its only proper and reasonable that his mother would talk to him about such things and that he would understand enough of it.

Its not only queer kids who don't get to live in ignorance of the anti-queer bigotry in the world, when I was 8 years old I sure knew I was an awful person for being gay, after all that's what I was exposed to and what this boy is also undoubtably exposed to, except he's not queer, that we know of yet, but his mother is. It'd be great if we all could live in never never land until we're 18 and officially adults but that never happens, kids deal with the same shit that adults do every single day. Have you ever even had a child in your life? Do you really think they just ignore adult type issues? Of course they don't, they hear everything and try to cope with everything they hear as best they can, its the parents' job to help them cope successfully with the world around them. Clearly this mother has done an excellent job of that. Should this kid engage in a debate with an adult about whether or not queers need to be fixed? Of course not. But he sure as hell is more than capable of telling anyone what he knows to be right and true even if that person is Bachman and his words videotaped.

Do you not even understand the basic concept of pro and con type arguments? If you do you utterly failed at that here, a pro argument is not just restating the con argument in different words which is all that you've done, a pro argument in this case would've been along the lines of this kid knows what he's talking about and isn't afraid to say it. If you were just against this kid being allowed to say what he wanted to Bachman why did you bother having a pro/con type article? Why not just come out say that you think this kid should've just shut up and keep his opinions to "kids" issues? Besides which anti-queer bigotry is a kids issue, its kids who are affected by far the worst by it, not adults who can handle it much better.

This is by far the most sorry excuse for an article I've ever read from you, it seems like you just knocked it off in 5 minutes without giving it the slightest bit of thought.

Rich ca



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