Saturday, June 5, 2010

Martin Gladstone on why Pride Toronto should act as censor

By Martin Gladstone

I had the honour last week of sitting down and talking with Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel and Sir Salman Rushdie, both very strong, eloquent advocates for free speech. They shared how words and language can also be used to spread hate and intolerance, hence the horrors of the holocaust, or the horror of living under a fatwa. It was opportune as I reflected on the debate in our gay community regarding censorship.

My film, Reclaiming our Pride, challenged the messaging of the group Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) in Toronto’s gay Pride parade. In past years, messages demonizing the Pope were reportedly removed from the parade.

Following precedent, Pride Toronto has banned the term “Israeli apartheid” from the parade. Some feel this is arbitrary censorship, an attack on QuAIA members’ right to unbridled free speech and a betrayal of the political roots of pride. But the real issue is compliance, not censorship.

Pride Toronto accepts public money to make our celebration possible. With that acceptance comes responsibility and accountability for its terms of funding. With all respect to the pioneers of pride, the pride celebration of 2010 is not the pride celebration of 1981. The pride of 1981 had no legal charter, no sponsors, no stakeholders to help finance and pay the bills, and no accountability requirements. It was not affected by charity law and rules governing not-for-profit corporations. There was no city declaration of non-discrimination to abide and honour.

It did not yet need street permits, insurance, security, barriers, cleanup crews, or even potties. But the small Pride parade of 1981 has gone with the wind. Pride today is a public mainstream event for a large broad-based community from all walks of life to celebrate our gay community in a spirit of inclusion and tolerance.

As our community grew, Pride became a not-for-profit corporation in order to minimize liability and gain access to grants, public money and tax exemptions. Pride’s legal charter is to celebrate gay rights, not to demonize Israel, or any other group. Pride should not enjoy the benefits of its not-for-profit status, and prospective charitable status, without complying with its legal responsibilities. And the inclusion of groups that brand Israel an apartheid state has little to do with the celebration of gay pride, except in anti-logical arguments that most reasonable people reject.

Virtually all the sponsors, the stakeholders, the city, the province, the mayoralty candidates, the radio pundits, even the major newspapers that opined on the issue concluded that the presence of QuAIA poisoned pride in 2009. Everyone has a right to feel welcome and not marginalized. The chants for the demise of Israel, and the crossed-out swastika, were horrendous at our parade. Councillor Kyle Rae properly categorized it as expression not in the spirit and values of our gay pride parade

The reality is that QuAIA is at cross purposes with Pride Toronto's legal charter, sponsors, stakeholders, and our greater community. The two mandates are clashing. The QuAIA mission to vilify Israel has no place in a gay pride parade. Marcus Gee of the Globe noted: “The group [QuAIA] has little to do with gay rights. Its real aim is to portray Israel as a racist state, undermining the country’s legitimacy by comparing it with South Africa’s apartheid regime before the end of white rule."

QuAIA cannot respond on the facts, so it cries censorship, which rallies everyone around the wrong pole. Ironically, QuAIA has conveniently forgotten its history of unabashed censorship.
 
Stakeholders also rightly questioned why Israel – which is a gay rights leader in the world – was being singled out at a gay pride parade. Israel is the only country in the Middle East where gays and lesbians enjoy full legal protection against discrimination and have gay pride parades. Why no activism by QuAIA against so many places where gays are tortured and imprisoned like Gaza, Tehran, or Cairo? Why the selective moral outage at a country that protects gays? We are all concerned by recent events in the Middle-East, – not to mention far worse in the Congo, Darfur, Sri Lanka, or Iran – but the place for protest is at a consulate or Parliament Hill, not at our gay pride parade. No one is censoring your message.

Our gay community, founded in activism and politics, has a proud history of diverse voices. But that diversity is not a permit for one group to spread divisive hateful messaging that makes members of our community feel unwelcome and threatened, and violates all the rules of funding and non-discrimination. Pride will become a battleground, a punch and counter punch culture. Pride is about gay rights, celebration, and respect for each other.

 

Martin Gladstone is a lawyer, a filmmaker, and gay rights advocate.
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Comments

Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:47 PM

Kyle Rae, June 2009:

"My understanding is the use of the word apartheid could be offensive to some, but it is a description of a political regime that is happening on the West Bank," Rae said.

"It's not about hate," he said. "My understanding, there are Jews as well as non-Jews who are members of this organization who are opposed to the Israeli government's actions, including the building of the controversial West-Bank barrier.

"There are Palestinian queer people who are living under that situation," he said. "It's a political issue but it does have a gay dynamic to it. But it is about the politics of the Middle East."

www.torontosun.com/.../9784666-sun.html

Z ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:05 PM

QuAIA are a bunch of braying jackasses, but you, Mr. Gladstone, disgust me.

Paul ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:44 PM

"But the real issue is compliance, not censorship."

Impressively deft use of doublespeak. That said, I'm turning over in my grave.

G. Orwell ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:07 PM

"Virtually all the sponsors, the stakeholders, the city, the province, the mayoralty candidates, the radio pundits, even the major newspapers that opined on the issue"

Interestingly, the actual gay community is absent from this list. Radio pundits and the National Post don't define our community, nor our parade.

Tom ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:31 PM

If you disagree with the definition of "apartheid", fine. Let's have a conversation: let’s talk about the semantics. But let's hear from all sides.

In a time where much of the world is rightfully apalled at what's occurred in Israel, we all should be talking. Instead, you're silencing any voices that you happen to disagree with, under the flag of “hateful” or “divisive”. But as the recent Pride decision has proven, the only thing hateful and divisive here, is your agenda of exclusion and censorship. The only evidence I need for that is the steady stream of repudiation in the wake of this recent decision.

tera M ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:07 PM

Comparing the QuAIA protest of the Gaza Strip Club (referenced in the fab story) to what Mr. Gladstone has done or calling that particular protest censorship is disingenuous. Did the group contact the board of Buddies lobbying to have the night cancelled or the name changed? No. Did they contact the city to have Buddies' funding revoked because of Gaza Strip Club? No. They complained in a public forum and used the opportunity to spread their message. That's not censorship, that's protest.

The fuss about the crossed-out swastika is tiresome. I don't like the look of the symbol either; it makes me uncomfortable, too. But I've been to enough anti-racism events to know that it's a positive symbol, not a negative one. If you don't understand something, ask. But Mr. Gladstone maintains his posture of fake ignorance so he can continue to make false accusations.

Pacman ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:54 PM

Dear Martin Gladstone,

You keep making references to Israel as being a gay Mecca, but you wouldn't dare go to the Israeli GLBT Association in Tel Aviv, where two people were killed recently or the Jerusalem Pride Parade, where participants have been stabbed, bomb threats were made, fires were set ablaze and human feces were thrown at the participants.

You've been brainwashed by a powerful PR machine, but the world is no longer buying this crap. Boycott Israel because it's a rogue state, pure and simple. Having rights for queers on paper doesn't give Israel the right to bulldoze Palestinian homes and starving entire cities!

I've always been a champion for Jewish culture, which is why I'm involved in this anti-censorship protest. Israel needs to stop its Apartheid-like policies or it will obliterate itself, which I don't want to see because I believe in a two-state solution.

Please Martin Gladstone, stop preventing legitimate Jewish queer voices from being heard at Pride. We're not in North Korea where weird little despots like you want to prevent people from thinking for themselves.

In solidarity with the increasing number of voices denouncing Pride's muffling of political expression,

Jason ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:13 PM

So, who are these mysterious stakeholders who, according to Mr. Gladstone, "...rightly questioned why Israel was being singled out?" Let's pretend next year's burning issue at Pride is, say, the RCMP's growing criminalization of HIV. And let's say some poz queers want to march and demonstrate against the RCMP and its increasing tendency to ignore an individual's right to due process (RIP Mr. Dziekanski). But what if the Force is a stakeholder? What if there are queer officers celebrating who may be offended? Should protest be banned? As a lawyer, Mr. Gladstone knows very well that establishing sweeping precedents is a powerfully permanent act -- versus having simple rules that can be changed. For that reason, I'm not inclined to give his saccharine arguments about censorship for the sake of "celebration" any credence. They make about as much sense as "Have a Gladstone, Mr. Eggroll."

P. Mason ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:51 PM

"Stakeholders also rightly questioned why Israel – which is a gay rights leader in the world – was being singled out at a gay pride parade."

I have seen this grandiose statement, or similar ones, quite a lot lately. Frankly, I have never seen it documented. Perhaps someone will reproduce a constitutional (or equivalent) statement out of Israel spelling out the absolute right to free expression of sexual orientation and gender identity for the LGBT communities. Perhaps it will also spell out how such rights must be protected not only for those Israel considers its citizens, but those who are under its effective (and military) control. I have never seen such a statement out of Israel (in regards to either just its citizens or all those it rules), and while I think it would have been pretty damn newsworthy had it been proclaimed, rather than calling Mr. Gladstone an out and out liar, I will anxiously await his posting some sort of documentation.

As to his point about "why is Israel being singled out", well I haven't been in Toronto during Pride for years... but I have been told by friends who have attended that they have spotted signs critical of other state actors too. (And well deservedly, I hope people attending and participating will draw attention to abuses in Uganda and Jamaica and Iraq and Saudi Arabia and, well just about everywhere where the state fails to protect the LGBT communites, hell where the state fails to protect everyone equally - there is lots of blame to go around).

In the meantime, I hope Pride TO (Inc) reconsiders and takes its muzzle off those who are drawing attention to what happens in Israel... surely that is preferable to them being totally fair and muzzling anyone who is critical of any political/state actor.

Or has Pride become nothing more than a celebration of the corporate sponsors?

Bags ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:01 PM

Congratulations on introducing this massive, divisive issue into our community Mr. Gladstone. Congratulations also for ending 30 years of censorship-free Pride. I hope you're proud of yourself for doing the work of homophobes and religious fanatics.

Your "film" is alarmist, incendiary bullshit. The words of the chant, which you had to subtitle to get your false message out, are "brick by brick, wall by wall" in reference to the massive wall around Gaza, not "fist by fist, blow by blow."


As for the crossed-out swastika, which you deliberately choose to misinterpret, it is a well-known sign for ANTI-fascism. I have some photos from the original queer protests against the bathhouse raids of 1981 (the catalyst for Toronto's gay pride movement). There are lots of signs of the Canadian flag with the maple leaf replaced by a swastika. There is little doubt that this is intended to compare Canada's treatment of gays to that of a fascist state. www.yorku.ca/.../1981gayrage.htm

Bottom line Mr Gladstone is that you have caused irreperable harm to our community in the service of your apartheid denial agenda. You disgust me.

Queers against censorship ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:05 PM

It was much of what i was expecting to hear from Gladstone so no surprises but at the end where he's described as a gay rights activist I choked. He's no gay rights activist he's a right wing Israeli activist determined to make Pride comforting for other right wing activists and that's it. What gay rights activist would attack Toronto Pride doing their best to get Pride defunded and make it a less entertaining event because of the lack of funds? I've never heard of any gay rights activist who has so attacked the LGBT community because of its desire to keep Pride inclusive. Does Gladstone describe himself as a gay rights activist? or is that something Xtra just added in for the hell of it? Gladstone is the cause of this dust up, if he hadn't been so committed that right wing Israeli sensibilities weren't offended by some at Pride we would never be in this position. Btw Israel is no gay rights leader, yes they have more gay rights than the countries surrounding them but less gay rights than most other western countries. If Gladstone were a gay or Jewish activist he'd be leading the charge to stop the censorship of queer Jews and their supporters instead he's championing it. Gladstone should be ashamed of himself, the fact the he calls himself a gay rights activist just goes to show that he can't stop lying or distorting the truth, at least be honest and call yourself the right wing Israeli activist that you are, real gay activists would never want to be associated with you as can be seen by the high numbers of them refusing to have anything to do with the Pride of Gladstone's making.

Rich ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 8:14 PM

"Congratulations also for ending 30 years of censorship-free Pride.

Really, you must click on the links. The Fab article documents the censorship of the Raelians Pope bashing messages. “It was really offensive to the Catholic church. You’ve got to be really offensive to get Pride Toronto to shut you down,” says Pride co-chair Fred Pitt. “It just crossed the line.”

This was 2004. Where was the outrage of the free speech advocates then? Why weren't they screaming censorship? Is it OK to demonize Israel, but not the Pope?

Peter ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 8:58 PM

Wow, thanks for that. What an incredibly formed opinion piece amidst all this nastyness.

Al ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 9:59 PM

QAII does not single out Israel, Israel singles itself out.

What I want to ask Martin Gladstone and his supporters is that why is the Israelie government singling themself out as the only country that has the legal rights to kill unarmed persons on international water, enacted a blockade that punished 1.5 million people through the form of starvation, ignored countless UN resolutions over the course of the last 30-40 years, to be the only country with nuclear arsenal in the Middle East

Unamed ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 9:45 PM

AS USUAL, GLADSTONE SPEWS PROPAGANDA, LIES, AND DEFAMATION.

"My film Reclaiming our Pride challenged the messaging of the group Queers Against Israeli Apartheid (QuAIA) in Toronto's gay pride parade."
False. His homemade propaganda video simply distorted the messaging of QuAIA.

"Following precedent, Pride Toronto has banned the term 'Israeli apartheid' from the parade."
Logical fallacy. "Traditional wisdom" argument. See: http://j.mp/d7gxWH

"Some feel this is arbitrary censorship, an attack on QuAIA members' right to unbridled free speech, and a betrayal of the political roots of pride."
Logical fallacy. "Straw man" argument. Nobody has argued in favour of "unbridled" free speech. See: http://j.mp/cSTY9V

"Pride Toronto accepts public money to make our celebration possible."
True. And that is why Charter freedoms -- including lawful political speech -- must be upheld.

"The pride of 1981 had no legal charter, no sponsors, no stakeholders to help finance and pay the bills, and no accountability requirements. It was not affected by charity law and rules governing not-for-profit corporations. There was no city declaration of non-discrimination to abide and honour."
So what? None of these facts justify censorship/exclusion of QuAIA.

"Pride today is a public mainstream event for a large broad-based community from all walks of life to celebrate our gay community in a spirit of inclusion and tolerance."
Logical fallacy. This is an "appeal to the people" argument. See: http://j.mp/d4FFiW

"Pride's legal charter is to celebrate gay rights."
False. Pride's mission, as delineated in its charter, is multifaceted and open-ended. It is not specifically/exclusively focused upon "celebration" and "gay rights."

"The QuAIA mission to vilify Israel has no place in a gay pride parade."
False. QuAIA's mission is to raise awareness about apartheid in Israel, to offer a queer perspective on that crime against humanity, and to highlight how that crime affects queers in Palestine. Many have argued that Israel is an apartheid state; that is not "vilification," but rather legitimate criticism about government policies and actions. See: http://j.mp/dryLZ3

"QuAIA cannot respond on the facts, so it cries censorship, which rallies everyone around the wrong pole."
False. See: http://queersagainstapartheid.org/faq/

"QuAIA [has a] ... history of unabashed censorship."
False. QuAIA, as an organization, has never called for censorship. The article cited by Gladstone describes a protest, not a censorship effort. Furthermore, one individual's opinion as described in the article was not representing QuAIA's position.

"Stakeholders also rightly questioned why Israel – which is a gay rights leader in the world – was being singled out at a gay pride parade."
Logical fallacy. This is a red herring argument. See: http://j.mp/bsTTVH

"[D]iversity is not a permit for one group to spread divisive hateful messaging that makes members of our community feel unwelcome and threatened, and violates all the rules of funding and non-discrimination."
False. QuAIA has never engaged in "hate." QuAIA is a pro-peace, pro-human rights group. Pride Toronto Inc.'s legal counsel found no "hate" in QuAIA's messaging. The Toronto Police found no "hate" in QuAIA's activities. The City of Toronto did not conclude that its policies had been violated. And the respected Canadian Civil Liberties Association disagrees with Gladstone's assessment; see: http://ccla.org/?p=5098

GLADSTONE: THE REAL COMMUNITY DIVIDER AND SHAMELESS DEFENDER OF ISRAEL'S APARTHEID.

Rick ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 9:05 PM

Besides lobbying every major sponsor to pull funding from the largest gay festival in the country, what exactly is the extent of Gladstone's "gay activism?"

He was perfectly content to, according to Sandilands, see Pride cancelled. He threw his lot in with known homophobes like Mammoletti. The man is a shamless cretin.

Anne Non ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 10:13 PM

I think the difference with the 2004 episode where some were censored for criticizing the Pope, I checked out the article about it and found the messaging rather tame compared to what I, as survivor of being raised catholic, would have to say about the Pope, anyways the difference is that that happened on the day of Pride and none knew about it until after the fact when it was all over. This time there has been a concerted smear campaign against QuAIA spreading lies and distortions about them from very early on spearheaded by Gladstone so people had time to think about the issue and offer a response. When I initially heard there was a hate group marching in last years Pride I believed it at first since I had no reason to believe I was being lied to, it was only in finding out for myself what QuAIA was all about that I realized how I had been manipulated and I was very upset about that as I imagine many others were too. The community has had a chance to hear both sides of this issue and they have overwhelmingly come out in support of free speech. Besides in 2004 there was no smear campaign against those with the messages critical of the Pope, they weren't falsely labeled a hate group, their members weren't attacked by Pope loving members of the crowd and their point of view wasn't called illegitimate and racist. Their censorship at the time could've easily been viewed as the actions of one overly zealous Pride official. I don't recall any of this happening largely because that was during my "party" years and I cared for little other than my own self indulgence. This time around its a very different situation and its the board of Pride Inc doing the censoring after being made fully aware of what it meant. Perhaps if there had been a public outcry at the time in 2004 we wouldn't be in this position today which is a very good reason why we must not back down this time around since it will only lead to more censorship in the future. It was wrong in 2004 and its just as wrong today, as we've always been told two wrongs don't make a right. The proper response to QuAIA was seen in last years march when pro-Israel marchers offered a more positive message about Israel. Pride should always be open to opposing viewpoints, what a society we live in when censorship is allowed to happen because of disagreements over world politics.

Rich ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 10:41 PM

I would love to know how Gladstone feels knowing his efforts have done more to spread QuAIA's message than they ever could have done on their own. I would also love to know how he feels being applauded by anti-bigots for his efforts. The man is no gay rights activist and should be ashamed of himself.

Rich ca


Saturday, June 5, 2010 11:15 PM

Mr. Gladstone's victory is so total that he can even allow xtra to publish his opinion under a headline that was not his. His film may be shallow propaganda but his message clearly resonated.

The type of gay activism that saw itself as being in opposition to the mainstream is dead.

Those who saw gay liberation as a threat to the status quo were clearly wrong. It just took a couple of decades for mainstream society to tame and absorb us.


Got to hand it to him ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:14 AM

Gladstone made some salient points particularly about the mandate of a not-for-profit.People who want Pride to treject the corportae sponsorships and government funding are blowhards with no clue of how to come up with the required alternative funding.One character called "Ric" attempted to Fisk Gladstone but just put up his own unsubstantaited contrary opinions. The sort of lame rebuttal one would expect from someone with the intellect of a part-time community college lecturer rather than a real thinker.

Geonimo ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:30 AM

as a straight man i salute QuAIA. They are not just fighting for gay rights, not just fighting for Palestinian freedom, they are fighting for EVERYBODY's rights and freedom.

For decades, supporters of Israel and its apartheid regime have stifled any discussion about its policies by smearing even the mildest, politest critics as racists. Today, the chickens have come home to roost: the whole global left-wing protest/activism machine has successfully (and ACCURATELY) branded Israel itself as a racist regime. QuAIA has been at the forefront of this happy development. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!

jack ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:30 AM

Preaching hate is not the same as preaching falsehoods. Mr. Gladstone is upset that QuAIA is preaching hate because the group is preaching the truth about Israel.

SD ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:03 AM

@Mr. Galdstone, @Rick
Mr. Galdstone thanks for standing up and beating the QuAIA at their own game you are a very brave man to this

@ Rick you seem to be up to your own Propaganda tricks as usual and Rick you are the Logical fallacy and funny how you started out as the Rights Gay Palestinian and your group turned out to be just a crazy Anti Israel Group and you act just like the Palestinians leadership you don't care about them the people all you want is to make you look better among your Marxist friends and you are just use Gay Palestinians as a cover when the real oppressors seem to be Hamas and the Palestinian National Authority since they seem to care less their rights and use the people as political tools.

Peter from Toronto ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 2:50 AM

Mr Gladstone is such an amazing gay activist he tried to get Pride shut down. With friends like him, who needs enemies?

Queers against censorship ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:08 AM

Mr. Gladstone's argument is a joke. He relies on the words of Kyle Rae to back up his argument, but fails to mention that he and Rae both have been working with Councilor Mammoliti- a documented homophobe- to attack Pride and get it defunded. Supposedly he was even seen shaking Mammoliti's hand after a vote on the issue. For a "gay rights activist," Gladstone sure keeps some odd company.

Further... QuAIA's right to "unbridled free speech"? The problem here is that no one is arguing for that. The community is only arguing for QuAIA's reasonable and fair right to speech under the Canadian charter. The view that Israel is an apartheid state is a valid political argument, even if you disagree with it. And there is a lot to back up the claim in any case:

QuAIA does not use the word "apartheid" lightly. QuAIA uses the word based on a through understanding of the situation in Israel and occupied Palestinian territory that is backed up by facts. In the present day West Bank territory, Jewish Israelis live in colonial-style Jewish-only settlements widely regarded as illegal under international law. These individuals are granted all the protections, rights and privileges of citizenship of Israel... they are allowed to vote, they have recourse to the legal system, right of assembly, petition, etc. Meanwhile Palestinian Arabs living in the same territory live under a very different system: they live under Israeli military rule, with virtually no rights or privileges. They are subject to arbitrary arrest, house demolitions, closure... they are also forced to go through a complex matrix of checkpoints any time they travel within their _own_ territory (most of the checkpoints are located between Palestinian populated areas, _not_ between Israeli and Palestinian populated areas). This system makes no sense from a security perspective, but has the effect of wrecking havoc on the Palestinian economy and education system. I have been to the West Bank myself and I passed through the checkpoint between the town of Bir Zeit and the major university there. Why should Palestinians have to pass through a checkpoint just to enter the University and go to class? It makes no sense. Israelis are never subjected to anything comparable. Further there are separate highway systems in the West Bank, one for Jewish Israelis and another (poorly maintained and inefficient) for Palestinians.

Taken all together, and also taking into account how even Arab citizens of Israel are granted different privileges than Jewish Israelis, this system satisfies the legal definition of apartheid.

I would suggest consulting the following report by the Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa (an official government body). Here they explore the question as to whether Israel satisfies the legal definition of apartheid, and explain in detail that in fact it does:

www.voltairenet.org/.../...onialism_Apartheid_.pdf

Sav. ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:25 AM

"Geonimo" wrote:
"The sort of lame rebuttal one would expect from someone with the intellect of a part-time community college lecturer rather than a real thinker."

First, that's not a sentence.

Second, your argument is a logical fallacy: an ad hominem argument. See: http://j.mp/c6UGdf

You might want to double-check the second definition of "lame" at:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lame

Rick ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:38 AM

"Pride should not enjoy the benefits of its not-for-profit status, and prospective charitable status, without complying with its legal responsibilities." What does this mean? Has QuAIA been found guilty of any crime in Canada? What concrete legal responsibility does Pride Toronto has to exclude this group? If QuAIA has not been found guilty, what Mr Gladstone is plainly advocating is suppression of expression.If he wasn't so tranparent he would be scary.

JG ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 4:40 AM

Looks like Will Sasso. In any event, reading his opinion is eerily similar to advice for actors and athletes to stay in the closet.

Randy ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 4:24 AM

”I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” - Elie Wiesel

In his Nobel Acceptance Speech delivered December 10, 1986

JG ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 9:50 AM

I just watched a BBC World show on the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa. There are lessons to be learned for the current anti-apartheid Israel supporters: Do broaden your support for any BDS campaign. Do not make this a left-right wing issue. Make it a multi-partisan one. Why should a centrist Canadian support a BDS campaign? Why should a right-of-centre Canadian support the campaign? Is it about Hamas? Is it about Israel denying food for Palestinian children? Is it about Israel denying food and materials for Palestinians which inhibits the democratic growth of Palestinian society? Back in the 1960's, the South African anti-apartheid campaigners sought support from European churches, and eventually countries such as Sweden. As more pressure was put on South Africa, the regime applied more censorship (or expected more "compliance"). Eventually, businesses in South Africa were feeling the heat over boycotts that they pressured the South African regime to change its course. The same pressure can be applied to Israel.

SD ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 10:14 AM

Instead of the sorry high-school debating level obfuscations of the anti-Israel bigots in QuAIA, here is some reality. Perhaps if they spent less time in undergradutae Equity Studies and Sociology classes and lived in the real world, their sorry reasoning skills would improve a little. Or perhaps not. 1)In representative democracies, people can express their views to their elected officials, who do not have to, but will usually make decisions that reflect the majority of their constituents' wishes, because they do not want to alienate those from whom they need a mandate. 2) In capatalist societies, consumers can choose those products and services they wish for any reason they wish, that obviously includes associations that the producers of products maintain. 3) Pride costs money. That money comes almost exclusively from government grants and sponsors. 4)Sufficient numbers of people have told their legislators that they feel providing public funds to Pride if it includes the hate-group, QuAIA is inappropriate. This has happened in numbers sufficient to convince the legislators that it is in their own interests and it is public will that no public funds will be provided if the shrill QuAIA bigots are included in Pride. 5) Pride's major Sponsors do not want to be associated with an event that includes anti-Israel bigots and have told Pride that they will not support it if QuAIA is allowed to participate. 6) Leaving aside the issue of whether it is appropriate for a festival clebrating Gay Pride should be used as a forum by bigots to attack the only country in its region that protects Gay rights, Pride had to decide whether the event could proceed without municipal funding and major sponsorships. They decided they could not. 7) QuAIA LOST. Suck it up, babies. No amount of whining from sad, hysterical fringe bigots only interested in their own opinions is going to change that. QuAIA may be angry becasue they are powerless, impotent and marginalized. The Neo-Nazi movement probably feels the same way too. Marginalized is exactly what Neo-nazis and QuAIA should be as both belong in the ash-bin of humanity.

Harvey Chocolate Milk ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 11:06 AM

I just saw a Pride Toronto promotion on CTV. Now I understand what Mr. Gladstone's Pride Toronto is about. It's about making Pride into a Truman Show for CTV. Pride is meant to be a set design for CTV so that it can sell commercials spots to advertisers (the consumers) and attract consumers (the products).

SD ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:52 PM

Hi, SD... thanks for your support for QuAIA. I would just point out, in response to your comment above, that Sweden actually is one of the countries most on-board with the BDS campaign:

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899301,00.html

(there's another article about how support for BDS in general is solidifying in Sweden, but can't find that one now)

Religious organizations are also slowly coming on board too. At the rally on Saturday here in Toronto support was expressed by someone representing the UCC, for example. The Presbyterian church in the U.S. was also one of the first to endorse BDS, although there has been some wrangling over exactly how to implement that.

Sav. ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:08 PM

Hi Sav,

I first want to thank you for your reply.

I do want to mention to everyone that I do hope for some sort of peaceful resolution between the Israelis and Palestinians, and eventually with Israel's neighbours. It will be up to the different parties to decide what kinds of resolutions take place.

I do think Israel needs to become pro-active in seeking a peaceful resolution with the Palestinians. The punishment of Palestinians, particularly Gazans, is not a way to get the Palestinians to negotiate. Making Gazan children malnourished through the blockage of food does Israel a disservice.

If Israel started taking major positive steps towards peace, and if Hamas in Gaza were attacking Israel after that, I would be supporting Israel to the fullest.

Since Israel doesn't seem willing to become pro-active toward a mutual peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israelis, how can I personally participate in a BDS campaign? I honestly don't know. I don't know of any Israeli products here in Canada except for Israeli wines. I'm not an avid wine drinker other than when I go to other people's places for special dinners. I have no plans to travel to Israel. A travel boycott would be moot. What else can I do? Are there specific Canadian or American companies that I can boycott because they actively conduct business with or in Israel? I wish I could boycott VISA. However, I am too dependent on my credit card to cancel it. What else can I do?

SD ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:13 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for you well presented post. I was beginning to think that I was the only one with his head screwed on properly. I'm also glad to see many others who agree. I am now absolutely convinced that Pride TO made the right decision. I am equally convinced that your thoughts are shared by the silent majority.

Jason ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 2:13 PM

*I noticed that there is another person by the name of Jason leaving comments. To avoid confusion, I have reposted my comment with the phrase "from the gay white north" to avoid confusion.*

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for you well presented post. I was beginning to think that I was the only one with his head screwed on properly. I'm also glad to see many others who agree. I am now absolutely convinced that Pride TO made the right decision. I am equally convinced that your thoughts are shared by the silent majority.

Jason from "the gay white north" ca


Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:20 PM

you sat down with Elie Wiesel, and Sir Salman Rushdie?!!! Where and when did this happen? I find it hard to believe. So sad that fear of the truth shuts down dialogue and free speech. Martin Gladstone is not an activist, he is not gay, he is not Jewish..he is a creation from some laboratory where George Orwell was the doctor. I can't wait to see Splice. If it's about free speech what are they all afraid of? Methinks it's the TRUTH. Long LIVE a Censorship Free PRIDE - Thirty years is too long a time to destroy something that people fought so hard to create.
FUCK CENSORSHIP

pete 2 ca


Monday, June 7, 2010 12:24 AM

Hi SD,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I just wanted to quickly respond to your question about getting involved with BDS... I would say it's not so easy to do a lot just as an individual living in Canada... as an individual there is more to be done if you live in Europe, because that is where most Israeli products are actually sold abroad. I'll mention two companies to specifically avoid, though I haven't yet seen them in Canada (just in Europe):

TEVA (generic pharmaceuticals)
Carmel-Agrexco (fruits and vegetables, which are grown illegally in the West Bank on stolen Palestinian land)

A couple others I can think of would be Sara Lee or Dannon, these might show up in Canada.

Probably the best way to get involved though would be to get involved in a collective effort, like QuAIA... or SAIA (students against israeli apartheid) if you happen to be a student or work at U of T or York University. These are involved with the BDS campaign in various ways.

Sav. ca


Monday, June 7, 2010 9:57 AM

Martin Gladstone and his justifications for banning completely legitimate (if unpopular and uncomfortable) political speech from a Parade that is based entirely on the expression of unpopular and uncomfortable speech is simply disgusting.

The gist of his reasoning appears to hinge on whether QuAIA's speech runs afoul of the policies that Pride Toronto operates under, namely anti-discrimination policies. Apparently, this means that if you can convince enough people to claim that legitimate speech makes you feel icky, you can force an organization receiving public funds like Pride Toronto to violate the charter rights of a law abiding group of citizens.

QuAIA is not breaking any laws, but they are saying something that a powerful lobby dislikes. That this lobby has forced its will onto the majority to silence an unpopular voice is abhorrent, deeply undemocratic and un-Canadian.

Shame on Pride for caving to this pressure and disrespecting 30 years of history. More shame on City Council (especially Kyle Rae, the turncoat) for caving to censorious pro-Isreali propaganda and encouraging the curtailment of a group's civil rights.

Dan ca


Monday, June 7, 2010 10:34 AM

To Harvey Chocolate Milk............that you would degenerate such a great name in order to make a point only shows what you truly are: a self-loathing fag who has zero comprehension of our history.

rick ca


Monday, June 7, 2010 11:46 AM

Rick is the most amusing person on twitter he recently decided to ask people to fact check the "true nature" Hamas. An organization that would probably want him dead if they ever met him.

Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' wat

>implying that QUAIA are nothing more.

roflsauras ca


Monday, June 7, 2010 10:43 PM

If you're referring to me, I did not use the words "true nature."

Let's be clear: Hamas is an organization with terrorist elements and twisted religious zealotry. That much we know.

Beyond that, a key point is that the rise of Hamas is a direct consequence of Israel's ethnic cleansing, massacres, collective punishment, war crimes, and apartheid. In short, Hamas' terrorism is a reaction to Israel's state terrorism. Hamas is a kind of resistance movement.

For more background on Hamas, see:
(1) http://tinyurl.com/cjpmefsh
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbVZgrUUSnA

Rick ca


Tuesday, June 8, 2010 12:03 PM

Please don't compare the Middle East conflict to Star Wars.

roflsauras ca


Wednesday, June 9, 2010 4:22 PM

I am sick and tired of the Jewish Community living in the pass. Any time there is something that they do not like the word "holocaust" is thrown up. Yes it was a crime what took place....yes we should never forget what had happen....yes we should make sure nothing like that happens again...but OMG give it a rest please...someone looks at a Jewish person wrong they are read the riot act....if you speak up against them you are read the riot act.....the only ones at Pride that are persecution the Jew are the Jew themselves no one can have a view the is different from their....

I have yet to see them speak up about the crimes that took place in the Congo or how about in Rwanda...or any of the other places where hundreds and millions were killed.....

DJ ca



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